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Jeff: Welcome to the ATP Project Episode 33 Secret Women’s Business. Today Matt and I discuss the menstrual cycle in depth and its relationship with cellulite and wrinkles, PMS, and other period issues like migraines, mood changes, abdominal pain, blood sugar levels and much more.

We break down the relationship between estrogen and progesterone, and that provides not only some amazing insight into what’s happening in your body but what you can do about it. Matt also discusses about post-baby body, how to get it back, and he shares how his wife lost nearly 50 kilos since having their two children. Lastly, we answer some FAQs specifically on women’s problems. Stay tuned. The ATP Project is about to start.

Female Speaker: Welcome to the ATP Project. Delivering the irreverent truth about health, aging, performance, and looking good. If you’re sick and tired of being sick and tired, ready to perform at your best, or somewhere in between, then sit back, relax, and open your mind as Jeff and Matt battle the status quo and discuss everything health related that can make you better.

Jeff: Welcome to the ATP Project. You’re with your hosts Matt and Jeff. Matt –

Matt: Good day.

Jeff: – we’re talking about secret women’s business today, shhhh. It’s difficult being a woman and –

Matt: You would know.

Jeff: Uh-huh, it is. I mean, you just don’t understand me. You don’t know what I’m going through. But the thing is –

Matt: Tell me what you’re thinking Jeff.

Jeff: No. The problem is that women have to deal with a lot of stuff that goes on.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: I mean, they’ve gotta put up with that time of the month every month –

Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: – believe it or not.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: They’ve gotta put up with pregnancy. They’ve gotta put up with nursing babies, sleepless nights. It’s not fair.

Matt: But they get rewarded –

Jeff: With?

Matt: – after all that with men, children.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And then luckily after a series of monthly menstrual cycles and all the soreness and pain and emotional turmoil with that they get rewarded with the wrinkles, the cellulite –

Jeff: Hot flashes.

Matt: – menopause –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – hot flashing, night sweats.

Jeff: So there’s one great thing that comes out of that which is children if you ask women.

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Jeff: No. Most women would say that they tolerate us.

Matt: Yes.

Jeff: But having said that Matt it is difficult for a women, and obviously this comes down to the hormonal –

Matt: Hum.

Jeff: – way that a woman is constructed. So Matt let’s get into it.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, we gotta stop talking before we get ourselves in trouble.
Jeff: Well –

Matt: But the big point that we’re trying to make is none of that was sarcastic. None of that was tongue in cheek.

Jeff: No.

Matt: We genuinely do – you won’t find many men that admit it, but –

Jeff: We’re lucky bastards.

Matt: – we know. We just don’t really want to bring it up.

Jeff: No.

Matt: So, basically, what we want to do a podcast on today is talking about the menstrual cycle trying to break down all the signs and symptoms so you can get a better idea of your hormonal profile and how to actually take control of that and get rid of some of your premenstrual symptoms, the tension.

We’ll talk about migraines, what causes breast lumps and bumps, fluid retention, all of that sort of stuff. We’ll break down the menstrual cycle. We’ll talk about ovulation and the different stages and try to give some strategies on how to actually correct it. We just want to empower people to be able to take control. And for the male listeners out there, take notes –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – because there are things that you will need to know in this.

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: This will link directly into our male anti-aging and longevity podcast.

Jeff: So Matt menstrual cycles, PMT, PMS, symptoms, length of time for the period, migraines what’s going on with –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – females? And not all females get all of these symptoms.

Matt: No.
Jeff: But what’s happening there?

Matt: And a big point today, to understand too is in my time in a clinic, 80 percent of the women I talk to about these symptoms I ask them questions like what’s your menstrual cycle like? Do you suffer from premenstrual dramas? 80 percent of the women will say no, nothing unusual. And when I say things like no, no, nothing unusual or nothing out of the ordinary, I actually gotta go back and question further and say –

Jeff: What sort –

Matt: – do you have pain?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And they’ll say oh yeah, I put up with a week or ten days of pain.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: But that’s normal, isn’t it? And they’ll say yeah, absolutely. There’s a good week or so where the breasts are so swollen or sore that they can’t handle anything touching them, and that’s normal or emotional turmoil, worry, migraines. A lot of women put up with stuff that they think is normal when it’s common but not necessarily normal.

But seriously, you should almost be getting surprised by that menstrual cycle. You should be able to keep an eye on the moon or the date and know when you’re due and not have to have a prelude of pain and agony and things like that. There are ways of us understanding the hormonal profile and what’s causing those dis-eases, you know –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – that are triggering those symptoms and pain.

Jeff: Well, let’s talk about PMS or PMT, and Matt is there a difference?

Matt: Oh, I don’t know.

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Matt: – politically correct.
Jeff: Right.

Matt: People are trying to work out a word that’s not offensive.

Jeff: Oh right, okay.

Matt: Because pre PMS, premenstrual stress –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – indicates that you’ve got stress you can’t handle.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: And as we know, women can handle anything, so it’s better off to assume that there’s a period of tension. The new one is PMDD, which is premenstrual dysphoric disorder which associates just with the mood changes premenstrual.

Jeff: Well, I’m sticking with PMT.

Matt: Yeah, whatever.

Jeff: So what is the deal with that Matt?

Matt: So, basically, what you’re looking at with the menstrual cycle there’s two parts to the menstrual cycle. The first part is called the follicular phase, and that’s when you’re maturing an egg. So, basically, in the first half of the cycle, testosterone in the ovaries is converting to estrogen to mature an egg so it’s ready to pop off. About half way through the cycle is ovulation. That’s when you pop the egg off.

Then the second half of the cycle is called the luteal phase where this little sac that’s left over after the egg’s popped off it makes progesterone. And that progesterone comes out for the next two weeks and says hold that period in. Wait and see if this egg gets fertilized. And if it does, you go through the pregnancy. If it doesn’t, the hormones all drop and drop. That’s an important word.

And they drop very low, and that’s when you have your period, okay. So, basically, first half of the cycle is supposed to be estrogen. The second half of the cycle is supposed to be progesterone. And it’s important to understand that because in that first half of the cycle, you’re supposed to have like those two weeks of estrogen. The estrogen builds the period, okay, so estrogen makes the period, makes the blood. Estrogen also changes the breast tissue and everything, so estrogen changes the brain.

It changes the blood. It changes the blood vessels, and it’s supposed to do all of that in the first two weeks. Then it’s supposed to back off. And progesterone is supposed to come out and say right, just wait. Don’t keep making blood. Don’t keep changing boobs. Just wait and see if this egg gets fertilized.

Jeff: Yeah, right.

Matt: The problem is with most premenstrual disorders, they’re associated with too much estrogen, okay. You can imagine most people in the last ten days before their period don’t complain of premenstrual problems. They’re talking about breast tenderness; soreness in the boobs; lumpy, bumpy breast tissue; fluid retention and bloating all over the body.

Jeff: Cramps and stuff like that.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, sticky blood.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So sticky blood causes poor circulation. It causes peripheral cramps. It also causes abdominal cramps because you get clotty blood trying to fit through micro capillaries, so it hurts –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – and causes a dull, dragging sort of sensation. The best way for men out there to understand what period pain is – and this is from descriptions – when women will describe a period pain, it’s exactly what we get when someone just squashes your balls.

Jeff: Geez.

Matt: You know you get that pain, but it goes up into your gut. You get it in the mouth. You feel sick. You feel like you’re going to vomit. You know what I mean?

Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
Matt: That’s a feeling that women will get in a pulsatile of fashion for up to two weeks leading into their period, so it’s like someone holding your balls just squeezing them.

Jeff: Not in the best way.

Matt: I’m actually just looking at me while I’m demonstrating what a hand would do holding balls, squeezing them.

Jeff: Oh –

Matt: And he’s not –

Jeff: – I’m sure you’re an expert.

Matt: – smiling.

Jeff: Oh –

Matt: But anyway –

Jeff: – no, grimace.

Matt: Yeah, so, basically, what I’m saying is the first two weeks are supposed to be estrogen. The second two weeks are supposed to be progesterone. If you’ve got too much estrogen exposure over that four week period, then you’ve gotta – oh, sorry, over that four week’s menstrual cycle – you will get four weeks’ worth of changing to those tissues instead of two weeks.

Jeff: Oh, brilliant.

Matt: So the women will get four weeks’ worth of boob changes, which is why coming into the end of your menstrual cycle they’re so swollen and sore –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – that no one’s allowed to touch them. They’ll get four weeks’ worth of period being made. So if someone’s got too much estrogen, they’ll have a heavy, clotty period –

Jeff: All right.

Matt: – which is a lot of pain.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: Also too because estrogen builds the period you’ll get a lot more, but it also makes your blood stickier. So those same sort of people might bruise, get poor circulation –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and they also suffer from migraines because they get sticky, bloody blood trying to circulate through the body. And they’ve had four weeks of that instead of two weeks, so towards the end of the month, the brain’s simply going where the hell is all my oxygen. And it starts making the blood vessels in your head dilate.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: And your skull’s not gonna change.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Hopefully your brain’s not gonna change, so you’ve –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – run out of room in your head with all these throbbing arteries full of gluggy blood.

Jeff: So Matt can that –

Matt: That’s why women get migraines.

Jeff: – can that lead to more serious problems such as aneurisms and –

Matt: Yeah, yeah –

Jeff: – things like that?

Matt: – that’s why women are more predisposed to strokes and –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – that sort of stuff. Yeah –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – aneurism and strokes are a big problem with women because of the blood clotting effect of estrogen.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: That’s why women also get more varicose veins and spider veins –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – because of the glugginess and the stickiness of the blood.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: Yeah, so if someone’s got a problem with estrogen dominance, then what that means is they’ve had too much exposure to estrogen over a month cycle. And then by the end of that menstrual cycle, the estrogen dominant – no, sorry – the estrogen dependent tissue is getting too much estrogen.

Jeff: So outside of taking the pill for contraceptive Matt, I’ve heard of a lot of women using the pill to help to combat –

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Jeff: – some of these. How does that work?

Matt: The way it works is through negative feedback. So the pill puts in a certain amount of hormone, usually not really nice form, not the form the body wants. But it does go in and sends a message back to the body saying we’ve got your hormone. Stop making any more.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: And that way it kinda takes over for the menstrual cycle, so it’s basically saying you don’t need to worry about follicular phases, luteal phases, ovulations and all that sort of stuff to maintain the hormones because we’re trickling them in on a regular basis –

Jeff: Gotcha.

Matt: – sending a message back to your part of your body saying don’t bother making the hormones.

Jeff: Yep.
Matt: And so it’s a band aid, or it’s just a lazy inevitable.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: If you’re using the pill to fix your premenstrual dramas, you’re just gonna be a little bit lighter.

Jeff: Yeah, I know that you’ve spoken about this especially with young women as well too that have had problems in late teens and –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – even mid-teens. They go onto the pill.

Matt: Yep.

Jeff: And you said this before that, basically, you’re kicking the kennel in the road –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – but better to work out what the problem is. So Matt if this is sounding very familiar to some of our listeners, what sort of practical things can they –

Matt: Well –

Jeff: – do to overcome some of these things?

Matt: – so this is the point. So if you’re getting a symptom say, the typical estrogen dominant symptoms are these: breast tenderness, fluid retention, migraine headaches, excessive emotional stuff, often you get sugar cravings and that sort of stuff as well because it causes insulin issues –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and cellulite and all of that sort of thing, all right?

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So if you’ve got those estrogen dominant signs – often too if you’ve got a problem with too much estrogen, the periods can often kind of go a little bit longer. Like, instead of coming every four weeks, it might extend out to every six weeks or the period itself is heavier and clottier.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: The usual cause for that is your body’s not clearing away the estrogen effectively. So the body makes estrogen in the first half of the cycle. It’s supposed to drop off because your body’s supposed to stop making more, and then your body makes progesterone instead. The reason why it’s not dropping off is because your body can’t get rid of it. It’s just loitering around. So that’s when you use Alpha Venus.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So Alpha Venus is the ATP product that can help to strip that estrogen out after it’s done its job. So the way it works in that situation is in the follicular phase, you’re still making estrogen like normal. You’re still maturing a follicle, getting the eggs ready to ovulate and everything. You’re not screwing round with any of that.

All you’re doing with Alpha Venus is after that estrogen has spent the first two weeks of your cycle building period and building boobs, we’re clearing it away. We’re taking it out of the body so it’s not floating around for the next two weeks just being a pain and being biologically active and still being recycled throughout the body. So you use Alpha Venus to efficient clear it away, so that way you get the first two weeks estrogen, second two weeks progesterone.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: And that’s in the cases of estrogen dominance. Most cases of estrogen dominance is because of poor detoxification pathways.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: There are other conditions associated with estrogen dominance such as endometriosis, adenomyosis, those sort of weird ones which are associated with some strange genetic polymorphisms that result in too much estrogen.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: It’s the same treatment. You’ve still gotta strip out that estrogen and desensitize the body to that too much estrogen.

Jeff: And, obviously, Matt, again, you say this all the time. It’s not about blunting estrogen production per se because it’s all about the –

Matt: No.

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Matt: – estrogen.

Jeff: No, because –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – it’s all about the balance of the hormones.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: I know we’ve spoken about the beneficial parts of estrogen for bone and skin –

Matt: Muscle.

Jeff: – and hair, muscle. Yeah, fascinating.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: So Matt can you just quickly explain the bad type of estrogen and the good type of estrogen –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – and what’s going on there?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: And, again, I know –

Matt: We’ve talked a lot about that in the podcast –

Jeff: We’ve talked about –

Matt: – right?

Jeff: But just really quickly for people –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – that might not have listened to some of the other –

Matt: Yeah, yeah –

Jeff: – podcasts –

Matt: Well, now hang on. If they haven’t listened to the other podcasts, they’ve got homework to do.

Jeff: Crazy.

Matt: But anyway, typically what happens is there’s three different types of estrogen or three different estrogen pathways that estrogen can go down after it’s built your period. So after your ovaries have made it or your fat cells have made it, after it’s been made and after it’s done all the good stuff, your body’s supposed to detoxify it and clear it away.

There’s three pathways it can go down on the process of being detoxified. One of them is really good that actually protects the body from all of the bad side effects of estrogen. The other two are a little bit dodgy in the sense that they’re not efficient in the way that they clear estrogen out of the body, and organisms and that sort of stuff can feed on them and put it back in.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So the way Alpha Venus works – and this is the way dims and everything work as well to a certain degree – is they convert the estrogen down the correct pathway so it’s converted to this 2-alpha hydroxyl-estrone, and then it’s mentholated with folates, B12s to make 2-methoxyestrone. And that stuff is deactivated, conjugated, sit in the bowel until you get rid of it.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: Otherwise, it goes down these other pathways which are very inefficient. It can still be used as a food for bugs. That’s an interesting point because bugs that feed on it are specifically things like candida. And the bugs that cause urinary tract infections, thrush –

Jeff: Wow, those get –

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Matt: – and irritable bowel –

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: – inflammatory bowel disorders, so it’s why a lot of women too get a lot more bowel problems than men because they’ve got this estrogen which is a really lovely food for bugs. They love it. So the candida that causes thrush and everything that’ll just feed on that estrogen. That’ll thrive and grow. They love it because they put the estrogen back into the body so it can contribute to cellulite, contribute to blood clotting, premenstrual dramas, and then come back and feed the bugs again.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: So these little self-feeding little fellows are fermenting everything. And when they ferment the estrogen, then they ferment the sugar. It causes a lot of gas and boating and fullness and that sort of stuff.

Jeff: Wow. So a lot of this problem, most of it, comes down to an imbalance of progesterone and estrogen in the body and too much of the bad form of estrogen?

Matt: Yeah. Well, that’s the whole thing. In the clinical situation, the challenge is trying to work out if they’ve got too much of estrogen or not enough of the other hormones.

Jeff: Right. So –

Matt: So –

Jeff: – let’s say that the estrogen is okay –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – but their progesterone’s all screwed up.

Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: They’re not getting enough.

Matt: Yeah, okay, cool. So if someone’s got a progesterone deficiency, what that basically means is their estrogen built the period.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And so that matured the egg. But for some reason, there’s a problem with ovulation.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: Maybe polycystic ovaries. It may be one of those sort of things, some ovulation defect. But if they’re not ovulating efficiently, then the little sac, there’s no sac left over making progesterone. So most commonly you get a progesterone deficiency because of poor ovulation.

Jeff: And what does progesterone deficiency look like in terms of symptoms?

Matt: Well, progesterone holds the period in. So estrogen makes the period. This is the –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – easiest way to pick up a low progesterone because you bleed mid cycle –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – or you bleed all the time. You bleed every couple of weeks, or you’re just constantly bleeding.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So progesterone holds the period in. Women when they go menopausal and they’re flooding with the bleeding and they go to the doctor, the doctor will give them a progesterone straight up to stop the blood.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So if you’ve got a progesterone deficiency and normal estrogen, then you don’t get all the sore boobs. You don’t get all the period pain. You don’t get all the clotting. You don’t get it as aggressively. But what happens mid cycle when you would be ovulating –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – you’ll often bleed –

Jeff: Spot.

Matt: – or get spotting –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – or mood changes or pain on ovulation or acne –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – or like some weird symptoms on ovulation. Those sort of things indicate that you’re not ovulating efficiently, and you’re not making good levels of progesterone.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: My favorite herb for that – and the funny thing is that there’s two treatment options really for that, but I’ve used oh probably three of them. Anyway, there’s two main ones. You can either put the progesterone in –

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: – from a progesterone cream, but that’s not fixing your ovulation problems. It’s just putting hormones in.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: But that’ll still stop the bleeding. It’ll still stop the symptoms.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And you can get it –

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Jeff: And you can get …. and stuff like that –
Matt: Yeah, yeah. So –

Jeff: – from the doctors.

Matt: – you can go do that, but there’s an herb called Vitex. Vitex Agnus-Castus is a really, really powerful herb, and if you use that around ovulation – but you don’t have to be too clever. Just use it the whole time –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and what it does is it makes ovulation more efficient, and it improves the integrity of the corpus luteum, which is the sac left over after the eggs popped out that makes progesterone. Vitex itself can improve ovulation and give you a really nice progesterone surge.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: And the other thing that happens with progesterone and Vitex is you get a flood of dopamine in your brain.

Jeff: Feel good.

Matt: That’s kinda nice because –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – yeah, self-esteem, pride, reward all comes from progesterone. So you can see too if someone’s got not enough progesterone in relation to the estrogen, estrogen does fear, worry – hurry, worry, money. That’s –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – what I always use –

Jeff: Hurry, worry –

Matt: – to remember.

Jeff: – money. That’s cool.

Matt: Yeah, hurry, worry, money. That’s how I used to –

Jeff: Sounds like my mom.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, where dopamine does self-esteem, pride, and reward. So for example if you’ve got high estrogen and not enough progesterone, at the end of the day, you’re still thinking geez, I could have done things a little bit better or I didn’t get everything done I wanted to do today or I’ve gotta do it all again tomorrow where if you had a progesterone and a dopamine at the end of the day, you’re going wow. I’ve did a great job today. I’ve achieved my goals, and I can sit back.

Jeff: Wow, that’s cool.

Matt: And I’d say you can actually relax and stuff like that, switch off. There’s people that do horrible jobs and horrible things in their day-to-day, and then at the end of the day you can say oh, that’s just my job and feel good about themselves and proud because they have put food on the table, you know?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Not people like us. But –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – those sort of people, obviously, have plenty of dopamine –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – or on cocaine. So, basically, that’s the thing is those hormonal problems. So too much estrogen causes – estrogen’s proliferative. So if you’ve had too much exposure to estrogen, things grow, things swell, things –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So if you’re not getting the growing and the swelling but instead you’re getting the mid-cycle bleeding, then it’s a fair chance that you’ve got low progesterone. And that just makes the estrogen look worse.

Jeff: So what –

Matt: Most people got both because we’ve all got this exposure to the estrogen shit everywhere like from the plastics and the pollutants and the –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – chemicals.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And there’s estrogen everywhere, and estrogen’s made from fat cells as well.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So we usually have dominance in estrogen, and that way even slightly underactive progesterone can manifest as low progesterone. So in most cases, rather than being too clever, you use the Alpha Venus style thing and strip out the excess estrogen because it’s not –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – screwing around with ovulation anyway. So you just strip out the extra estrogen and compensate for the environment while you jack up the progesterone slightly. And then you can fix a lot of premenstrual dramas.

Jeff: And this is why Matt you’ve added the Vitex into the new Alpha Venus?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: So it should be on the shelves early 2016, January –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – 2016? And you’ve taken out the Tong kat. Just for those people, again, with polycystic ovaries or too much pimples and all the rest of it –

Matt: Well –

Jeff: If people are still using the Alpha Venus and they’re loving it because the Tongkat’s great for increasing testosterone production for women, especially women –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – that are interested in building more muscle tissue –

Matt: Yeah, absolutely.

Jeff: – then they can use the same formula which is now gonna be called Alpha Prime, and it’s good for both –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – guys and girls?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, so the Alpha Prime is the one that’s got the Tong kat already in it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So if you’re a woman and you’re training and you feel as though you need more testosterone –

Jeff: Go to the Prime.

Matt: – go to the Prime.

Jeff: When it comes out, which will be January 2016.

Matt: The way to know which products to use, is if you’ve got too much testosterone, what will happen? The way to know is throughout your menstrual cycle if you’re suffering from too much testosterone, these are the things to look for: straight up if you’ve been diagnosed with the polycystic ovarian syndrome, you’re better off with the new version of Alpha Venus with the Vitex in it. It’s actually recommended. Seriously, that’s why I’ve done it. We’ve made it for years, you know?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Testosterone. So the other thing is before the cysts arrive, the whole profile can include other insulin resistant syndrome symptoms which is round about ovulation or premenstrual acne across the jawline. Weird like hormonal acne is a common one, or if you’ve got androgen, too much testosterone, you can get acne anywhere on the back, folliculitis on the legs, that sort of stuff.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So women that get polycystic ovaries, women that get acne, women whose hair is falling out in a mild pattern baldness fashion –

Jeff: Right.

Matt: – and appearing in a mild pattern bearded fashion –

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: – there’s probably too much testosterone there.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So those sort of people are probably better off using the Alpha Venus with the Vitex. But if you’re an athlete and you want to build muscle, if you want to improve your recovery, you want to burn fat faster, and you want to take your physique to the next level, and you don’t have polycystic ovaries and those other issues, then use the Alpha Prime.

Jeff: Which is the same formula as the Alpha Venus now?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, that’s right.

Jeff: So people will probably get a bit confused. That’s understandable.

Matt: Yeah, but that’s cool.

Jeff: We here to help. So Matt Dr. John Kapeleris who joined the team at the beginning of the year very, very smart man. His wife was suffering from spots on the back of her arm?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Since she’s been talking Alpha Venus, they’ve disappeared those white spots. What are those white spots? I mean –

Matt: They’re carrotonitis. Weird little thing.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Linked in with allergens and protein. Allergens to proteins. No one knows if it’s caffeine in some people, gluten in others –

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: – and that sort of stuff. But the Alpha Venus is a very powerful NRF2 activator.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And that’s a very powerful anti-inflammatory, very good for controlling phase 2 detoxification pathways, reduces allergies –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and that sort of thing.

Jeff: Wow. Matt in terms of things that women can do from the diet point of view, I’m sure that some women are going oh my gosh. That’s me. Yes, that’s me.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Yes, I understand what they’re going through.

Matt: Oh, good. I’m glad you mentioned that.

Jeff: Outside of, obviously, utilizing our products –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – which is great. I mean, they’re there to help, and as you say Matt –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – herbs are such powerful tools.

Matt: But have a look at them. I mean, if you don’t have one in front of you, you’re mad. Otherwise Google it. Have a look at the ingredient list.
Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And just see what foods are in it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: I mean, we make foods. What we do is we standardize foods to know that they’ve got the active levels in them so we can accurately tell you what does to use.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: That’s why we put them in capsules. So we take away the guess work.

Jeff: Oh, I see. Convenient –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – to let’s face it.

Matt: Oh yeah, that stuff doesn’t taste real good. So, basically, the things that are in the Alpha products is we’re looking at broccoli, and broccoli sprouts are a lot stronger. That’s why we concentrate the actives into the broccoli sprout. Eating anything out of the brassica species will help to control the estrogen excess, so that’s all your broccoli, your Brussels sprouts, pak choi, bok choy, mustard, radish, spinach, kale. So there’s plenty of good foods there.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Kelp and iodine is extremely important. If you’ve got an iodine deficiency, the cells in your body change structure and make you more sensitive to estrogen. By correcting the iodine deficiency, you become less sensitive to estrogen.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: And that’s where the link is with high estrogen in low thyroid –

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: – when you have low iodine. But if you’ve got an iodine deficiency, before you look at weird thyroid function profiles and that sort of stuff, make sure you got adequate dietary iodine going in and you don’t have an iodine deficiency because if you do have an iodine deficiency, it doesn’t matter what we do with estrogen detoxification and menstrual cycles. Your body is sensitive to estrogen.

Jeff: And seafood, kelp –

Matt: So iodine, yeah, anything out of the ocean.

Jeff: So Keltic sea salt –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – you mentioned before.

Matt: Yep, yep.

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Matt: All those sort of things.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Iodized salts, yeah, your kelps, your bladderwrack, any seaweed, all your seafoods, all your –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – shellfish, all that sort of stuff.

Jeff: And just in there as well too. I’m not a huge fan of that iodine table salt that you can get

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: It’s better than nothing but –

Matt: Sodium aluminum hydroxide –

Jeff: Yuck!

Matt: – with a little bit of potassium iodine.

Jeff: Yeah, not really great for you.

Matt: Yeah, so otherwise go for the natural ones.

Jeff: Yeah, go for the sea salts.

Matt: Or you can go to the chemist and ask for a thing called Lugol’s solution, and it’s an orange iodine tincture similar to Betadine. It’s cool because your body can absorb iodine through the skin.

Jeff: Oh.

Matt: So what you can do is you get this brown stuff and paint it on your arm or something. If you’re deficient in iodine, your body will suck that stuff through so fast that the brown stain disappears within half an hour.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: Then what you can do is just keep taking your iodine, and you can actually use the Lugol’s solution as your iodine treatment.

Jeff: Right, take out –

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Matt: – drops into water and drink it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: It tastes like metal and blood and that. It’s weird.

Jeff: Yum.

Matt: And then what you do is you keep putting a few drops on your arm, painting a little square and watching it and seeing how long it takes to disappear. By the time it takes about 12 hours to disappear or you’re not sure if you’ve rubbed it off or it’s soaked in, your iodine levels are up.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly.

Matt: So you can use it as an indication. It’s not an accurate test, but it’s a decent indication of how much your body’s craving iodine how fast it sucks it through.
Jeff: Hum.

Matt: So iodine yeah, otherwise, you just get those kelp sheets and that sort of stuff. We’ve got a product called T432 that’s got the iodine in it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And we also put kelp into the Alpha products because it’s very important to make sure there’s enough iodine coming through with those products as well –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – to make sure they work efficiently.

Jeff: No, no, that sounds good.

Matt: Other foods, I mean, there’s a lot of other tricky foods and home remedies.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: I’m gonna stop pumping out some eBooks because after, like, 20 years in the naturopath clinic, man, there’s some wicked home remedies that I’ve learned just that fix pain and all that sort of stuff really quickly. So we gotta start getting some of those things out, but you can’t underestimate the power of things like ginger as a –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – pain reliever and that sort of stuff. And –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – yeah, you can do some really cool little protocols from that sort of stuff.

Jeff: And Matt, obviously, the product that we produce and you being a naturopath the more holistic in their view we try and utilize whole plants where possible. Sometimes an extract works great so long as it’s accompanied by other products –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – that work synergistically with it, and this is, I think, the difference. I use a Kuvings Cold Press Juicer, and that thing is great because there’s no heat in it.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: So it sort of crushes it as opposed to –

Matt: That’s what you want.

Jeff: – sort of a centrifuge.

Matt: And you know the coolest thing about it is as well is it mimics chewing.

Jeff: Yeah, right.

Matt: The process of chewing is what releases a lot of enzymes in structures. So you know people talk about enzymes in juices and –

Jeff: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: – stuff like that –

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: – and why it’s so great to have juices.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: You’ve got to drink them within 20 minutes of juicing them, by the way –

Jeff: That’s right.

Matt: – for the enzymes.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: So don’t think you’re gonna get enzymes out of –

Jeff: Bottle it.

Matt: – something in the shelves somewhere.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But it’s work because you got the cell structure in the actual cell wall. The cell is where the enzymes often live, so you actually need the process of breaking the cell wall that will actually release the enzyme that will digest the stuff that’s inside the cell.

Jeff: Oh cool.

Matt: And so what’s cool about it the process of chewing liberates that enzyme, and it directly hits the thing that’s right next to it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And the funny thing is the thing that destroys it is right next to it the whole time.

Jeff: Yeah, right.

Matt: All it takes is for us to release it and then digest the food. To think it lives its whole life right next to the thing that could kill it.

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Matt: – and then process of chewing it. So the process of juicing those things will also break it down and allow the enzymes to be released and start activating, converting the glucosinolates through the glucoraphanin’s through the sulphurifying. You know what I mean?

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: So it’ll start breaking those things down, but if that could all happen in a bottle before you drink it –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – it’s no good.

Jeff: So, I mean, one of the things that I love doing is using the juicer. I use a lot of turmeric, a lot of ginger, and I’ll put them in the things like celery or maybe a little bit of a carrot or beetroot and all sorts of things.

Matt: Yes.
Jeff: And I play around with different natural sort of formulas, if that makes sense.

Matt: Yep.

Jeff: Well, cabbage is great for the gut as well too so cabbage and ginger actually. But –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – just find some things that you like yourself, work them in there. I always throw in one or two apples as well too. You don’t want to go too overboard with the apples because there’s –

Matt: Right.

Jeff: – a bit of sugar in there. But –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – having said that, that old age an apple a day keeps the doctor away seems to be –

Matt: Yeah, there’s a –

Jeff: – true. There’s a –

Matt: – few things there.

Jeff: – lot of beneficial things in the apple as well. But anyway, if you are gonna juice, don’t use the ones that are centrifugal that make everything hot. And when you let it stand as well too, you’ll see that it separates. You don’t want that. If you can – they’re a little bit more – but go for a cold press juicer, and throw in your ginger and your turmeric’s. And I have that every morning. It’s a fantastic way to start the day.

Matt: Yeah, yeah. Another thing I really wanted to talk about though –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – because it’s something really sneaky we can do. We always get asked probably on a daily basis a question from people, and I know it’s written on our labels saying don’t use it during pregnancy or breastfeeding. I think they would just want –
Jeff: Good point.

Matt: – they want to see if they can do it you know?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So I think they’re just asking in case we say yeah. No, you can ignore that and take it. But no, all ATP products you don’t use them during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

Jeff: Well, it’s funny Matt.

Matt: Just don’t touch it.

Jeff: It says very specifically on the labels not to use while pregnant. Someone asked the other day, what about breastfeeding? No.

Matt: No.

Jeff: No, you cannot.

Matt: Isn’t that on the label?

Jeff: No, it’s not on there.

Matt: Whoops!

Jeff: Yeah, so no, not for –

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Jeff: – lactating women.

Matt: We better get that on the next labels.

Jeff: Yeah, absolutely, yep.

Matt: If you’re out there and you’re from TGA and that, it’s fine. We talk about it on our podcast. Anyhow, change the subject quickly there. So don’t use our stuff during pregnancy and breastfeeding. But –

Jeff: What about post baby Matt?

Matt: – this is the thing man. There is a window of opportunity that you rarely see. Now, I don’t know. There’s probably a lot of women out there that might be listening to this that have been diagnosed with endometriosis or some weird disorders that the doctors have said it’s probably gonna make you infertile. But if you fall pregnant, it’ll cure it.

Because what happens during pregnancies, hormone levels surge so high that receptors get rebooted. All these hormonal profiles, all these hormonal pathways, the hormone levels go so high, and it’s like rebooting a computer. Well, it gives us an opportunity to reboot the computer. As those hormones are dropping, we have the ability to manipulate the pathways that they fall through and reset the hormonal profile.

And we can do it long term. We get an opportunity where it takes almost three months for these hormones to go. So for example on a normal monthly cycle, you might see 30 milligrams of hormones. But during pregnancy, per day they go up to 300.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: So the receptors are all freaking out. Everything’s freaking out. And then what happens is these hormones go from such a high level, and they start to drop. As they drop, receptors are picking up. Some drop faster than the others. It gives us an opportunity to sort of reboot the hormonal profile long term. I just did this with my wife. She’s a fantastic lab rat. She survived, and then we can try it with other people.

Jeff: Yeah, great.

Matt: So what happened is she’s actually dropped over 50 kilos now in six months.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But she’s totally changed her body shape. She’s changed her hormonal profile. She’s changed the way her body craves food, utilizes food, stores foods. It’s actually changed where her body holds water, where it holds fluid. Areas that were her problem areas are now –

Jeff: Not.

Matt: – totally not a problem area.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: It’s fun, and I’ve done this multiple times with people. And it’s the best way. Anyone with endometriosis and any other hormonal disorder this is their one and only real opportunity to reset your hormonal profile and do it properly.

Jeff: The hard part’s obviously getting pregnant in the first place.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah –

Jeff: It’s like you said.

Matt: – so it does

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Matt: And then they get that opportunity. So don’t bother using our stuff. Don’t worry about fat losses and body shaping during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Just use that time to make awesome family.

Jeff: Yeah.

M But after that man this is our opportunity to smash it. So as soon as you stop breastfeeding, get onto the Alpha Venus and the T432 because what happens is as your hormone levels are dropping, just do two Alpha Venus twice a day and two T432 twice a day.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: And what happens is we’re upregulating thyroid hormone activity. We’re improving insulin sensitivity. We’re regulating cortisone levels. And what’s really cool about that at the same time is that we’re stripping down the estrogen and maintaining good progesterone. It’s a freaky little thing that can happen. So you do two Alpha Venus and two T432 twice a day.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And do normal diet and exercise thing. But what you’ll find is your calorie requirements are gonna drop. So while you were pregnant and breastfeeding, you would have been eating more, okay? So what you’re gonna do then is you’re gonna make changes to your macronutrient intake and reduce your calories, but you’re gonna continue to eat regularly. And you’re gonna take the Alpha Venus and T432.

And what actually happens is all of the sudden as your estrogen’s dropping, all of the sudden you’ve changed your ratios of the bad estrogen and good estrogen to be very favorable towards the good estrogen. We’ve switched almost all of it over there, and then it just keeps going down that pathway.

Jeff: Awesome!

Matt: We’ve upregulated the ability to maintain good levels of progesterone. We’ve dropped off the cortisol, the insulin, and we’ve enhanced thyroid hormone activity. And you create the ideal hormonal profile for you to be able to maintain muscle and bone and burn fat –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – at the same time as you’re running around and raising children.

Jeff: Yeah, nice.

Matt: So you’re actually fueling that with fat, and the ketones that you produce through there are preferred source of fuel for the brain. And you feel good. You got energy. You feel good. You got the vitality and that sort of stuff even though you’ve gone through the hardest thing you’ll ever do.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And in the meantime one day you look in the mirror and just go oh wow, look. My body shape’s changing.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: Yeah, so the only thing that I haven’t worked out fully is the loose skin bit.

Jeff: Yeah, right.
Matt: So we’re working on it with our serums. When you use things like subcut and that over time and prototype actually shown really good favorable effects of the skin tightening as well, so when you use our serums over time, it can help. But you can’t take away skin quickly. You can change the connective tissue integrity –

Jeff: Because –

Matt: – and make things tighter.

Jeff: – it’s the elasticity in the skin –

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

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Jeff: – been stretched.

Matt: Sometimes there’s more skin.

Jeff: Right, yeah, yeah.

Matt: So yeah, when you lose weight dramatically –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – you could end up with like little scrotum looking things –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – on your belly and –

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Jeff: But give it time as well too. Don’t –

Matt: That stuff tightens up.

Jeff: Yeah, don’t rush off –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – to go see a surgeon or anything like that.

Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: Give it time and maybe consume the sorts of –

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Jeff: – foods that can help –

Matt: – in the short term.

Jeff: Yeah, that’s right. And then long term hopefully that’ll work.

Matt: Sort itself out.

Jeff: Actually I have a friend who lost quite a lot of weight, and she got into training and actually put on a lot more muscle mass. And that actually helped her –

Matt: Helped her out.

Jeff: – yeah, it actually did help to improve. She looked great actually.

Matt: Yeah, well, it’s funny. I was looking at some testimonials on Instagram last night. There’s a guy. Krish Titan is his Instagram name. He did a brilliant testimonial. He’s lost a lot of weight, and the thing that really excited me – well, he gave us a nice wrap too, which is how I find these things. I do my little hashtag ATP science, so hashtags Jeff searches under. And –

Jeff: #Jeff’s pretty exciting.

Matt: – they’re less – actually a little strange there.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: I’m gonna stop doing that one because I’m seeing things that might add me some weird list. But yeah, so what I was so impressed with this guy’s testimonial is how much loose skin he had, and it disappeared and how tight his skin was. So I don’t know. He lost a lot of weight.

Jeff: I think you were saying he’s around 130 kilos or 135.

Matt: Yeah, something like that.

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Matt: – competed under 80.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But he went on stage and competed with tight enough skin to look like he had none.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So yeah –

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Matt: – I love those sort of things, and he used our serums as part of the weight loss –

Jeff: Protocol.

Matt: – protocol. So yeah, so it does do that for certain people.

Jeff: So your post-workout after the baby is –

Matt: Post baby.

Jeff: – post baby. So breastfeeding is possible as well too. I know that that’s good –

Matt: Of course!

Jeff: – and can generate – because it takes the body a lot of energy to produce milk Matt.

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: So it’s a good way if you’re eating well, not restricting calories because, obviously, if you’re restricting too much, you’re gonna dry up the breast milk.

Matt: Well, there’s an old school of thought. They believe cellulite is actually there like the reservoirs of fat that cause cellulite is specifically there for when you’re starving and breastfeeding. That’s why it’s resistant to everything else. That’s why it won’t burn during diet and exercise easily. Oh yeah, do you want to know why women are the lucky ones that get cellulite and wrinkles?
Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: I think I’ve mentioned all this, so people probably already know. But it’s your reward. That’s your reward for having periods every month. It’s a kick in the teeth.

Jeff: It is.

Matt: So what it basically is, is saying estrogen builds a period, and what a period is is just all these new fresh blood vessels that are made. And it’s got a lot of connective tissue that holds it to the womb. What happens is the body has to get rid of that if there’s no fertilized egg.

So what it does is it releases these enzymes that break down all of the collagen and connective tissue that’s holding the blood vessels into the womb. And then what happens is it sheds, and that’s how you have a period. It doesn’t just do that in the reproductive tract. It does it all over the body.

Jeff: Yeah, it does.

Matt: So in a monthly cycle, women are getting enzyme and immune cells roaming around the body destroying collagen and connective tissue just so they can have a period. And the end result of that is cellulites and wrinkles or no plumpness in the lips –

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: – and the cheeks. And that’s why blokes find they don’t age as rapidly. The blokes can maintain thick collagen in the skin –

Jeff: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: – where women can’t.

Jeff: Yeah funny eh?

Matt: Yeah, rude, huh?

Jeff: It’s horrible Matt.

Matt: And the same with the fingernails. Blokes can have fingernails that are brilliant for digging and climbing –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and that sort of stuff because women on a monthly cycle are getting this sticky blood associated with their menstrual cycle. So they go through a good one to two weeks of every menstrual cycle where they’re getting poor circulation –

Jeff: To nails.

Matt: So their poor nails starting to get good circulation.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: Plus if you’re looking at estrogen dominance inhibiting thyroid hormones and all that sort of stuff –

Jeff: It’s all dry.

Matt: The poor women as part of the menstrual cycle they do for reproduction so we can continue on as a species. They also get rewarded with the cellulite, the wrinkles, the poor hair, skin, nails.

Jeff: Not fair.

Matt: No, it’s not fair.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Anyway.

Jeff: Poor things. Okay, Matt –

Matt: I didn’t say poor things.

Jeff: But it is.

Matt: They’re powerful. We’re lucky and blessed. We’re lucky. Stop talking. Just don’t say poor things. I know that’s a trap man. There’s not a woman in the room that I know right now if you’d said that you would have whacked if there was a woman in the room by saying poor thing.

Jeff: No. Now, you’re taking it out of context. Okay, so –

Matt: Toni edits this.

Jeff: Yes, you will.

Matt: You can put a voice over I’m sure. Don’t you call me poor thing.

Jeff: Now, we’re talking about post babies. We’ve been talking with Lauren Patterson who runs Mad Max Mum, and over the next coming months we’re gonna be doing some articles and some sharing of the information she’s –

Matt: Hum.

Jeff: – got. So Elsa’s been quite impressed with the stuff that she’s been doing, and it’s great. Any support that you can get from a mom who’s out there who’s trying to –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – help people and to improve and to get their body back and to balance their –

Matt: What was it? Mad Max Mum?

Jeff: Madmaxmum.com.

Matt: Cool.

Jeff: So Lauren Patterson, so yeah, jump over there and have a look at what Lauren’s got. If you are post baby and you’re looking for some ideas, good little community there. Also, this week’s rate and review and review podcast winner is Lisa Tucker. And she said, “So much great information from the pros. Everything is explained properly in terms that are understandable. I tune in daily and can’t get enough. Thanks guys. Please keep them coming.” Well, thanks Lisa, and you’ve won. So Elsa will be sending you out a goodie pack.

Matt: What does she win?

Jeff: I have no idea.

Matt: Oh, I knew it. It’s awesome though, right?

Jeff: We just turn out to work, and everybody else runs this place Matt.

Matt: Oh, I know.

Jeff: So we’ve got some FAQs. Some of these FAQs are actually very pointed to today’s show. So the first one’s from Jessica. “Hi Matt and Jeff. I’ve just come across your brand recently. I have a few questions about your products. I study biomedical science and have an appreciation for influence of estrogen and testosterone have on the body.

“However, I was wondering how your Alpha Venus for women product impacts the body’s natural way of producing and monitoring estrogen levels. My main concern would be whether the body adapts to a balance of estrogen androgen ratio. Then once supplementation of Alpha Venus ceases, the body won’t be able to continue to maintain this balance and would ultimately need to be dependent on your product.”

Matt: No, that’s cool.

Jeff: “Also for your product T432 Plus at interacts with the thyroid hormone to promote the metabolism in thermogenesis. However, does it have an effect on negative feedback systems of thyroid hormone for the thyroid regulation? I really appreciate all of the information your brand offers especially your podcasts and blogs and scientific reasoning behind your products.

“I’m interested in using your products, and if I understand the mechanisms and chemical reactions behind them and the interactions with normal bodily systems. So that’s why I was wondering if you could shed some light on my area of concern. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.” Jessica. Great question Jessica!

Matt: Yep.

Jeff: It’s nice to hear you’re putting some thought into it. But we credit the brand first do no harm as the first motto of everything that we’ve done. But Jessica had some valid points here Matt.

Matt: Yeah, it’s good.

Jeff: Negative feedback loops, should people be cycling the product, once people start taking the product Matt are they gonna be dependent, and they have to take it lifelong? What’s going on?

Matt: Well, so regarding the Alpha Venus first the way it actually works is it’s not screwing around with the way the pituitary gland controls the menstrual cycle. So it’s not actually interacting directly with how much hormone is produced as part of the menstrual cycle. What it is doing, though, is after those hormones have been produced, after they’ve manage to build a period and mature the boob and all that sort of stuff, what they’re doing is they’re being stripped away.

So the Alpha Venus all it does is it works with the natural body’s detoxification pathways to make sure the estrogen is effectively cleared away after it’s done its job. So what that basically means is the initial stage of negative feedback is the hormone being made and released as part of the menstrual cycle, and that will regulate the pulses of chemicals coming from the brain telling the –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – ovaries to make more or less hormones.

Jeff: Gotcha.

Matt: We’re not messing around with that.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: What happens after that hormone’s done its job is the detoxification pathways send it down three different pathways potentially. What we’re doing is we’re switching off the two bad pathways and upregulating the good pathway dragging the estrogen down this right pathway.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Now, in a perfect world, we’d only need to do that for a short period of time, and it would stay working that way. The problem is medications, pollutants, inflammatory chemicals and other toxics –

Jeff: Plastics.

Matt: – they keep dragging us down these other pathways. So the detoxification pathways have been changed by society and by environmental exposure, and it keeps causing us to make this doggy type of estrogen. So in a perfect world, you could use a product like Alpha Venus for a short period of time. It would reboot the liver pathways and the detoxification pathways switching off the bad ones, switching on the good ones. And it would kinda stay that way for a period of time, and we wouldn’t need to take it long term. Because we keep getting exposure to this other stuff that keeps dragging it back down the other pathways, it’s a good idea to keep nudging it. So in most cases, people will take it for one to three cycles to get the thing rebooted and working. And then they stop for a period of time, and when the symptoms start to come back, they just go back and reboot those pathways again.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Because we’re not screwing around with the pituitary gland and ovaries and all those other things, it’s not one of those things you become reliant on. It’s also not one of those things that screws around with the negative feedback in the pituitary gland that can disrupt a hormonal profile.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: It’s one of those things that after we’ve taken for a short period of time, everything kind of starts to organize itself, and then you can kind of just stop taking it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And then just see if these things start to come back. And then you just pull it back in again and nudge it back, and just keep nudging it down the right pathway.

Jeff: Well, Jessica lives in the middle of Tasmania or New Zealand away from any of these things eating all organic food and pure water and –

Matt: hmmm.

Jeff: – doesn’t use a microwave and none of their food touches plastic and all that sort –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – of stuff. Matt she might be okay.

Matt: Or the other thing too you do you Alpha Venus for a period of time, fix up all your dietary lifestyle stuff as much as possible, 80 percent correct.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: And the stuff that you can’t avoid is gonna happen.

Jeff: Throw in my broccoli –

Matt: Yeah, and then –

Jeff: – and brassicas and all of that.

Matt: Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: Then you’ve employed all those brassicas, the kelps, and everything into the diet.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: You could use diet and life style to maintain the results that you’ve achieved with a short burst of Venus.

Jeff: Good idea.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Regarding the T432 it’s quite interesting. The way it works is it again supports healthy thyroid function, so it makes sure the thyroid gland is capable of making thyroid hormone. It doesn’t directly drive thyroid hormone release as much, and it definitely doesn’t put thyroid hormone in like thyroid medication does.

Jeff: T432 –

Matt: Yeah.

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Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – thyroid medication they’re putting this stuff in. And it’s directly sending a message back to the brain saying don’t make any more. We’ve got it coming. And that way you’re putting certain amount of thyroid hormone in, and it kind of makes a little bit more or less according to keep you somewhere around the window. But you’ve got to be somewhere near it. You gotta be somewhere near the therapeutic window for your body to be able to tweak it.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: What we’re doing is we’re controlling the conversion pathways of the thyroid and hormones to make them more sensitive. This is more efficient. It’s a better way. We’re getting very good conversion of T4 through to T3 to T2. This is an interesting point that normally people are aware of. But one of the ways your body can respond to too much thyroid hormone coming from medication or one of the problems with thyroid hormones across the board is that our body converts T4 through to a thing called Reverse T3.

And what Reverse T3 does is it looks and acts like T3. Your body thinks it’s thyroid hormone. So the T4 converts to Reverse T3. The Reverse T3 binds to the T3 receptors, and the body thinks it’s T3. But Reverse T3 is about 1,000 times less effective for fat burning for example as T3 is.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And it tricks the body into thinking you got ample T3 and sends a message back to the thyroid saying slow down. An interesting feature with Reverse T3 is that the thyroid will be running slow, but there’s no signals from the brain saying work faster.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So people are coming in saying your TSH is low, and your T4’s low. We can’t understand why. Normally, if your T4’s low, TSH goes high.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: But with the Reverse T3, it just screws around with the negative feedback. So with our T432 product, we’re making thyroid hormone conversion pathways very efficient, and in particular we’re making sure there’s no Reverse T3 around with the negative feedback in the brain –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – that can stop medication from working and cause such things as euthyroid 6 syndrome, which is when all your blood tests are showing you’re fine, but you’re taking every –

Jeff: Box.

Matt: – box in the textbook of low thyroid.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: But your blood tests say you’re fine. That’ll ring bells to a few people.

Jeff: So the general advice Matt with regards to say the Alpha Venus – and are we talking about the new Alpha Venus? What about the Tongkat Ali? Will that have an impact on negative feedback in the body?

Matt: No, no.

Jeff: No?

Matt: Not too much.

Jeff: Cool. So how do we recommend people to utilize our product Matt? Is it okay to stay on them?

Matt: Things like –

Jeff: What would you recommend people take in terms of time off say T432?

Matt: I tell people with Alpha Venus – and this is across the board because –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – I don’t think anyone should take anything forever.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Because you don’t know if you’ve fixed the problem.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: You don’t know if you’re just too scared to stop taking it really. You need to challenge and see if you need it.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So I tell my people to take it for one to three months.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: Don’t bother judging things in less than a month because you’ve just seen what happens in a monthly cycle in a woman anyway with changes to fluid and everything. So you gotta take things or a full month especially for women because you’ve got to take it for a full menstrual cycle.

Even in men we tell everyone to take everything for a full month because they’ve got to go through a full lunar cycle that screws around with your fluid.

Jeff: Hum.

Matt: We gotta, basically, take everything from one to three months, and then have a break of a minimum of two weeks. And then if your symptoms start to come back after two weeks, you can put the things back in. And then what you do is you take it for another one to three months, have a break, see what happens after two weeks. If nothing have another month off.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: You may not need the stuff, you know?

Jeff: Uh-huh.

Matt: And then what you do is you just kind of start to take control. The key is to observe your signs and symptoms. The problem is when we are self-observing and self-obsessing, we don’t record things. So when you go see a naturopath or a practitioner, 80 percent of the stuff that you tell them doesn’t make to the file, but the important points get written down.

And then when you come back next time and you say how did you feel? And they say oh, I don’t feel any different. You go well, the last time you were here you had headaches every day. Do you still get the headaches? Actually, no, they’ve gone. When you don’t have them, you don’t think of them. So you’ve got to take accurate measurements. That’s why it’s good to work with practitioners because they keep the measurements that you may not record on yourself especially if you’re an asshole and things like that, and people aren’t telling you.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And you assume you’ve got an emotional disorder.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But that’s good to have other people asses you.

Jeff: Thanks Jessica. That was a really good question. Hopefully that helps, and let us know how you get on. Matt the next question’s from Mandy. “Hi, I bought the T432 Plus along with the Alpha Venus. I found with the T432 that it affected my blood sugar and made me quite shaky as I was taking a tab every day.

“I do suffer from insulin resistance even being on Metformin but had to stop it as it was making me very ill. Do you think I should just stick with the Venus and not the T432?” So Matt what’s Metformin; do you know?

Matt: Oh it’s a medication that’s used to drop blood sugar.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: T432, by improving insulin sensitivity, also drops blood sugar.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So when you combine a natural component that might be treating the cause and working on insulin sensitivity on a receptor level and everything or improving the way insulin works while they’re on a heavy duty medication that forces sugar to drop –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – then you’re gonna get a low blood sugar. And it’s gonna be like a double whammy. So yeah, the T432 is not so much interacting with Metformin, but you’ve got two tools doing the same job.
Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So that’s why if you’re on medication and you introduce supplements, you do it under the supervision of you’re prescribing –

Jeff: Always –

Matt: – doctor –

Jeff: – consult your doctor.

Matt: – so they can monitor changes in things like blood sugar and adjust your prescriptions. And it’s up to you and your doctor what you do with Metformin. I can’t advise you on that.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But you’re realizing that when you combine something like T432 which is the cinnamons and things like that with Metformin, it’s having an exaggerated effect causing your blood sugar to drop. So there’s a lesson in there for the doctor to understand a little bit more about this particular person’s cause of their insulin resistance.

Jeff: It does look like Mandy has stopped taking the Metformin from my understanding of how this –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – structure is written. “I do suffer from insulin resistance even –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – being on Metformin but had to stop it as it was making me very ill.”

Matt: Yeah, I don’t know. But the message of the story is if he’s combining multiple things to drop blood sugar and you get low blood sugar, then –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – you’ve gotta assess the protocol.

Jeff: That’s exactly right. But Mandy, hopefully that helps. Consult with your doctor first. In terms of should you stick with the Venus and not the T432, Matt talk to your –

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: – doctor first?

Matt: Yeah, well, I’m not sure what’s happening with the Metformin, so if you’re on Metformin, then, yeah, use the Alpha Venus and Metformin –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – because, obviously, when you combine Metformin and T432, you get reactive hypoglycemia –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – which causes the shaking. It just confirms again the powerful nature a product like T432’s ability to improve insulin sensitivity.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And considering that it’s all natural –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – and things like that it’s kinda cool.

Jeff: It is kinda cool.

Matt: But not cool that you’re shaking and –

Jeff: No.

Matt: – you’re sorry, okay.

Jeff: But Mandy, check with your doctor.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: If you’re off the Metformin, talk to him about the T432, maybe show him the ingredients.

Matt: Hum.

Jeff: And if he’s prepared to work with you to measure you, maybe take both and see how things go.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: But again, strictly under the –

Matt: Yeah, you might be able to do a low dose of each, and you get a similar effect.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Strictly under the supervision of your healthcare practitioner.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Lucy says, “Matt and Jeff, loving the podcast. It’s my weekly bliss time. I’m 25, and I lost 15 to 20 kilos three years ago. I walk, run, and bike five to ten Ks a day. I do weekly yoga and do strength training three to six times a week.”

Matt: She’s a lazy person.

Jeff: I reckon. “I eat pretty clean but still can’t shift weight from my midsection and upper thighs.”

Matt: Yep.

Jeff: “I have really bad cellulite and get spotting and cramps a few days every week.” Funny, I hadn’t read this, so it looks like it’s gonna tie in perfectly with this podcast. “I’ve noticed if I push myself too hard especially running or lifting heavy, the spotting gets a lot worse. It’s almost an instant reaction. I can be 15 minutes into a high intensity training session and feel the lower abdominal cramps start.

“I also get tired really easy and often. If I lie down, I fall into a deep sleep within a few minutes regardless of the time of the day. That time of month – sorry for the overshare – that’s okay. We overshare all the time – brings really bad cramps a week before” –

Matt: I bet.

Jeff: – “migraines and from time to time the vomiting. I’m normally super anti-drugs, but come that last time I had to load up on the Ibuprofen or I just cannot function. Last year I was working a pretty stressful job and was told from my doc that I had high cortisone levels. She never tested me though. I’m no athlete, but it’s getting really frustrating working hard and not getting the results that I want.

“I changed up my program every 6 to 12 weeks, and I’m always getting at least seven serves of vegetables and four to five pieces of fruit per day. I grow a lot of my own stuff, so I know it’s not chemical laden and processed foods once a week if that. Things that I use are Rosehip, hemp, and coconut oil for moisturizers. I’m currently drinking two to four liters of spring water per day and take probiotics and B12.

“I’m vegetarian daily. I had my thyroid tested, and it came back all clear but not a full hormone test. I am just about to start on the Venus and hopefully Block E3, but would you recommend anything else? The docs have just told me to quit my job and go on the pill and antidepressants. The job quitting –

Matt: Oh sorry.

Jeff: – “was the only thing I applied.

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Jeff: “Sorry about the essay long question. Thanks in advance.”

Matt: na that’s a cracker I took notes.

Jeff: That is a lot that –

Matt: Oh, no, that’s cool.

Jeff: – Lucy’s going through.

Matt: She summarized our podcast. That’s sweet.

Jeff: It’s funny. And you know the funny thing is – and you can believe this if you want to or not –

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: – Matt and I get handed FAQs from Elsa that we have no idea what they are.

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: And we just said that we’re gonna be doing one on estrogen, so she obviously just popped that one in. But that’s perfect.

Matt: Yeah, yeah. No, well see, what Lucy’s described – and, of course, I’m definitely not going to have the arrogance to say that I know this is for sure –

Jeff: No, and again –

Matt: – just from that.

Jeff: – can I insert a little–

Matt: Yeah, sure, please.

Jeff: – here? So again, Lucy, take this information back to your doctor. And, again, if you’re not happy with your doctor, the nice thing is you can easily go and get a second opinion.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Talk around doctors who really care about things in a holistic fashion as well too.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, I did this class on a disclaimer.

Jeff: Well –

Matt: The disclaimer’s not find a new doctor. The disclaimer’s –

Jeff: No –

Matt: – talk –

Jeff: – talk to your doctor.

Matt: – talk to them and don’t sue us.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly.

Matt: That’s the disclaimer. So, basically, what Lucy’s described so we talked earlier in the podcast about the spotting. There’s not enough progesterone to hold the blood in, so straight away we can see a sign of inadequate progesterone. And that already will make estrogen dominance worse. And what happens with estrogen dominance is you’re building a lot of cellulite.

You hold fat and fluid under the hips. The tricky thing is, is that fat and fluid then becomes a self-perpetuating cycle because that fat makes estrogen. So it becomes a little estrogen reservoir, and that leaches back into your body to a certain degree and can, again, screw around with your menstrual cycles and that sort of stuff. But the estrogen dominance makes your blood go really sticky like bloody.

But normally blood floats around there like magnets with positive charges on the outside, so whenever they get near each other, they just keep pushing each other away. With estrogen dominance, you don’t get that, and they all clump up. So instead of having red blood cells just free flowing and delivering oxygen all over the body with all the associated energy, you get these pools of clumpy blood floating around.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And they’re giving no oxygen out of that, and instead what happens is your brain and your body sitting there going where in the hell is all my fuel? It starts throbbing arteries just to get the blood there, and that’s how we get varicose veins. That’s how you get migraines. That’s how you get cramping period pain.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: That’s why as soon as you start running or whatever the excessive inflammation there sends one more signal through to the liver and says make that blood go stickier because of the stress as well. So if you get sticky, gluggy blood, that causes migraines. Double check that you’re not predisposed to clots. If factor five leiden sort of stuff.

But estrogen dominance itself will cause the bruising, the spotting. With progesterone deficiency, you’ll get the spotting, and yeah, all the cellulite, all the fluid and everything. So the key is to use Alpha Venus to start stripping the estrogen. While you’re waiting for our new product to come out, go buy Vitex Agnus Castus. Go to the chemist and buy Vitex. Its other name’s Chaste tree, and you need one gram a day. So take one gram of a Vitex product every day, and that will increase your progesterone straightaway and start reducing the spotting and the bleeding. You strip out that estrogen with the Venus, and then that’s the most of it really. I’ll tell you something really interesting that we’ll find will happen with this hormonal profile. You’re more likely to have high Reverse T3, which they don’t test for, rarely test for it anyway.

Jeff: I heard that, yeah.

Matt: When they said they’d do a thyroid test but they didn’t test all the hormones, what they do first is TSH. So what estrogen does estrogen tricks the pituitary gland into thinking your thyroid hormone is fine. So what happens is your pituitary gland isn’t telling your thyroid to go faster, which is why TSH is coming within range.

And then if they don’t measure T4 T3 and everything else after that because they go TSH first, and it’s only when TSH comes out of range and they go okay. Well, now we’ve got a reason to investigate further according to Medicare and all that sort of stuff in Australia. So they’ll only measure TSH, maybe TSH and T4. But if they’re both within the range, they’ll say you’re fine.

They don’t care that you’re cold, fat, your hair’s falling out, fluidy, constipated, bloated, poor hair, skin, nails, all the signs of low thyroid. They don’t care about all that because your TSH and T4 is fine. But if you’ve got estrogen dominance, your brain’s an idiot, and it thinks your thyroid’s cool. And it’s not telling your thyroid to go faster, so your hormones aren’t responding.

So if you want to get a thyroid test properly, to do it you get a TSH, T4, Reverse T3, and T3 and find out the proper profile. You can have a look at that sticky blood, but the way to treat it you go straight in with the Alpha Venus. Do the Vitex. Start using Block E3 topically because they’ll isolated fat. You’re probably stripping at the visceral fat. You’ll be burning fat around your organs, burning fat out of your muscles because you’re working so bloody hard.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: You’ve just got these compartments of isolated fat –

Jeff: Locked out.

Matt: – with reservoirs locked on the side –

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: – that your body’s not wanting to get rid of. So you can use Block E3 and Subcut creams on those transdermally to start breaking the cycle. You do the Alpha Venus and everything in turn, and then you can do the T432 as well if you want. It’s just gonna speed up the thyroid, speed up the metabolism, and drop off the estrogen. But make sure you do the Vitex. And that’s at –

Jeff: That’s one thing –

Matt: – a thyroid range.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: And without the Vitex and without that progesterone coming through –

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: – it’s not gonna work.

Jeff: Okay. There you go, Lucy. So what we’ll do is we’ll send you out a Subcut, and we’ll send you out a T432. I would send you an Alpha Venus at the moment, but geez. I have to tell you we’re struggling to keep stock in at the moment. It’s just crazy.

Matt: Oh man.

Jeff: But anyway, Lucy, thanks so much for the question, and please give us some feedback. I’d be really keen. So we will send you out a Subcut, and we will send you out a T432. If you’ve got the Block E and the Alpha Venus, that will work perfectly together. And as Matt said, don’t forget to go and get some of the Vitex as well too. Thanks for your question Lucy. That’s fantastic. Matt last word.

Matt: Well, with this particular topic, there’s no way we would get a last word.

Jeff: Oh touché sir. Well done. Look, thanks everyone for listening. Please keep your FAQs coming in. We’re gonna do a secret men’s business podcast very shortly. And stay tuned, and we’ll see you next week.

Matt: All right.

Jeff: All right.

Female Speaker: Thanks for listening. And remember, question everything; well, except what we say.

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Duration: 65 minutes

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