In this episode of The ATP Project, Matt and Steve chat about the old tried and true methods of the “Back in my day” wives tales. Those classic kitchen concoctions made as ailments passed through generations, brewed into a tea or boiled into a soup, crushed in a mortar and pestle and given to us at a time we weren’t feeling our best… but do they have merit to their method? Tune in and find out more!
00:00:59 – Podcast Start
00:02:15 – Common cold and flu – honey
00:04:19 – Honey and olive oil – eczema
00:04:56 – Honey and wound treatment
00:07:05 – Lemon and colds
00:07:49 – Chicken soup
00:10:47 – Rubbing salt into your wound
00:11:31 – Onions – kill infections
00:12:15 – Peppers and sweating
00:13:38 – The importance of sleep and body temperature
00:14:44 – Eating chocolate for coughs
00:16:43 – Eating cherries to help sleep
00:17:40 – Eating licorice root
00:19:22 – reishi mushroom
00:21:14 – Garlic absorbed through the skin
00:22:50 – Sleeping with your head elevated when you have a head cold
00:32:33 – Magnetic poles and sleep
00:39:51 – Whitening teeth with bicarb and strawberries
00:41:45 – Chapped lips and olive oil
00:42L16 – Midges and potatoes
00:43:36 – Soda crystals absorb moisture
00:47:56 – The importance of clay – absorbing toxins
00:51:29 – Vanilla extract for toothaches
00:53:11 – bleach and mosquito bites
00:55:43 – Tomatoes and sunburn
00:56:55 – Aloe Vera and sunburn
00:58:21 – Epson salt baths – relieve muscle pain
01:00:35 – indigestion and peppermint oil and bicarb
01:01:38 – Ice baths and muscle relief
01:05:51 – Hangover – coconut water and bananas
01:07:49 – apple cider vinegar and acne
01:12:21 – skin brushing
01:14:52 – Fungus on toes – tea tree oil
01:16:22 – Urinary tract infections – cranberry juice
01:17:27 – High blood pressure – parsley leaves
01:20:39 – Noway Bar review
01:21:47 – FAQ-01
Steve: Welcome to the ATP Project. Now today we’ve got a fantastic podcast lined up, we’re going to be talking about home remedies. Well, you’re sick, what can you do at home? What can do to help? So, sit back, enjoy and listen to Matt and Steve talk about home remedies. As always, this information is not designed to diagnose, treat, prevent, or cure any condition, and is for information purposes only. Please discuss any information in this podcast with your healthcare professional before making any changes to your current lifestyle. Stay tuned, the ATP Project is about to start.
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Steve: Welcome to the ATP Project, Matt. How are you? It’s just us two.
Matt: I know.
Steve: Guess what we’re talking about today.
Matt: Home remedies.
Steve: Home remedies, that’s it. Had to get that line out.
Matt: I don’t know why I can’t say home remedies. I really struggled with that.
Steve: Home remedies.
Matt: I nailed it that time.
Steve: That’s super.
Matt: Home remedies.
Steve: We’ll dub that one over all the other ones that we’ll stuff up later on. Now these are remedies that obviously people have… They’re old wives’ tales or they may not be. There may be some science, there may not be. There’s teas, there’s poultices, there’s crystals on your knee, all sorts of weird stuff.
Matt: Talking about things that when you’re at home and something goes wrong, and there’s all these things that we could try. Typically, things out of the cupboard that we hopefully happen to have, which is weird. Not many people have a big herbal dispensary at home, so hopefully you do because we’re going to talk a few about herbs and weird little crystals and clay.
Matt: And soups.
Steve: Lemons and honeys and all this sort of stuff. And the beautiful thing is even chicken soup gets a big mention today, but we’re not talking about home remedies like paracetamol and codeine that you can get at home, this sort of stuff, we’re not talking about those remedies you get from the pharmacy, these are home remedies. Some of them are great, some of them are poor, some of them have research, some of them don’t, but they’re all worthy of discussion.
Matt: Let’s do it.
Steve: All right.
Matt: What are we going to start with?
Steve: Well, I want to start with it being winter, a common cold and flu. What do we do about that? We’ve woken up, we feel like shit, pharmacies, can’t be bothered going there, don’t want to get drugs, how do we treat this? The classic one we have to talk about is lemon and honey.
Matt: Oh yeah, let’s do it.
Steve: All right.
Matt: Sort of familiar with honey, because I know if I’ve got a wound or something like that, or a leg ulcer or something, if I cover honey on it, that honey is so high in sugar it burns the skin, like makes a hydrogen peroxide reaction at the skin that sterilizes everything, and also that stimulates healing. So, does it have the same thing in the throat?
Steve: It does. It’s antimicrobial in the throat because have you had a propolis?
Steve: Those lollies that you get from the thing, that’s what’s in the honey that’s antimicrobial. Honey doesn’t go off.
Matt: Yeah, right.
Steve: So it’s got these natural antimicrobial agents in it. But it’s also a natural anti-cough suppressant.
Matt: Well hang on, propolis is cool. Propolis, what it is, is the bees line the inside of the hive with propolis to actually stop the invading infections. It stops fungus and mold getting into the hive. Because once something’s bathed in honey, like I say, and just sterilizes it and cooks it because it’s so high in the sugars, but there’s other stuff you’re saying?
Steve: Yeah. Antimicrobial agents in honey, and there’s anti-cough agents. The cool one about the cough, they tested it against codeine, which is a classic. If you take 50 milligrams of codeine, that’s obviously a painkiller, but it also turns into morphine, which suppresses the nervous cough reaction. It worked as effectively as that in the study.
Matt: Wow. With the mums and that at home, you go to the chemist, they’re the ones that your kid’s got to be over six or something to access the codeine as a cough suppressant, so for any of the children under six, they can try the honey. But not under 12. Under 12 months I mean.
Steve: Yeah. No, honey, no.
Matt: If you’re under a year you don’t give your baby honey because of the potential for botulism?
Steve: Botulism, yeah, because of the leaky gut they have naturally. So, the interesting thing about that is that, that’s a classic home remedy that works really well, and everyone’s, well not everyone, but a lot of people have honey at home.
Matt: Yeah. Well while we’re talking about it, one of my other favorite applications for honey for a home remedy, again, as long as they’re not under that 12 months of age, even though I put it on the skin for eczema. What I do with a honey and olive oil, most people have got that at home, so I warm the olive oil enough, just warm it before you get that smell’s coming off, but just enough to make it hotter, so when you tip the honey in you can stir it. As it cools, keep stirring it so it doesn’t separate, and that’s my favorite eczema cream.
Matt: 50/50 olive oil and honey.
Steve: That’s just that’s brilliant.
Matt: Well thank you, Steve.
Steve: No, that’s [crosstalk 00:04:41].
Matt: It’s not on our list.
Steve: I know, it’s not. Quick, write that one down, it’s a beauty.
Matt: No, bring it on. What’s your next one?
Steve: Brilliant, bring it on. Look, well while we’re on the honey, we’re keeping with the honey theme, I mean this is a great medicine that we’ve talked about before, about being antimicrobial and that sort of thing for all sorts of things. Let’s say you’ve cut yourself.
Matt: Okay. I’ve cut myself, Steve.
Steve: Yeah, you’ve healed it up, and yeah, you could go get antibiotics and all that sort of stuff, but you can put honey on wounds like I put honey on my wound here that had a stick in there, just to kill the bugs.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s same as ulcers and all that sort of stuff, so any big wound, you can whack it on. But you’ve got to really coat it. A lot of people try to do too many things, they try to get products with honey in it, but it’s got to be pure, huh?
Steve: Yeah, that’s right.
Matt: Because it’s actually the burning from the sugars and that sort of stuff that’s really important. Does it have to be medicated honey?
Steve: No, it doesn’t because the high concentration of glucose and fructose in the honey causes osmosis, which pulls the water out of the microbes, which kills them, dehydrates them.
Matt: Yeah, cool.
Steve: But it’s harmless for obviously putting on your skin, so it’s got that great nontoxic… In the olden days, when I was a kid, we used to use Mercurochrome.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steve: Mercury and chromium. Mercury on your skin.
Matt: I was pretty much constantly covered. That could explain quite a few things.
Steve: Had a wicked color. I remember that, it was like this wicked purply color.
Matt: What was Condy’s crystals?
Steve: Oh, that’s potassium permanganate, isn’t it?
Matt: Yeah. What does that do, Steve?
Steve: Well, when I was a chemist, we used to make explosives out of it. We might have to edit that bit out. But yeah, it was used for an antimicrobial. I think you’d bathe in it and that sort of thing, for all sorts of things.
Matt: Yeah. Because we constantly had them at home, where constantly with the Condy’s crystals. I used to put them into the chooks’ water. I had white ducks and I used to put the Condy’s crystals and they’d turn purple. Was that killing them, Steve?
Steve: Oh, probably was, yeah, but let’s not … It kills them.
Matt: I used to put food coloring in, I used to do all this stuff to screw with the ducks. I’d turn them multi-colors.
Matt: Oh yeah.
Steve: Well you know the flamingos? They’re actually colored by the astaxanthin in microbes, so you’re not-
Matt: From the carotenoid complexes, yeah.
Steve: Yeah, the carotenoids complexes, so yes, coloring birds is not that harmful because they live on that sort of stuff. They eat all the fungus and all that sort of green moldy stuff. Yeah, coloring birds may not kill them and that sort of thing. Let’s say you’ve got this cold and flu, and because you also squeeze lemon in there. Now lemon has lots of vitamin C, which is good and all this sort of stuff, also bioflavonoids and all these sorts of things which can help the common cold as well. So, we’ve got that and that’s pretty cool, and what you can also follow up with that is some chicken soup. Chicken soup.
Matt: I love chicken soup, Steve.
Steve: It makes you feel, or to me, it makes me feel good.
Matt: Talk about your soul, Steve.
Steve: My soul.
Matt: I know you love talking about your soul.
Steve: It’s great for my soul.
Matt: He’s an egomaniac. He doesn’t believe in soul.
Steve: Ah, souls. Believe in souls.
Matt: I can’t believe that.
Steve: Well I haven’t seen a PubMed paper on the soul.
Matt: I haven’t seen a PubMed on my soul. What, are you serious? You haven’t seen that? All those [crosstalk 00:07:43] about electricity and energy.
Steve: Oh, I believe in those things.
Matt: And the [crosstalk 00:07:48] exchange and all that sort of stuff. Any-who. So, chicken soup is bloody brilliant, and anyone that says it’s not is crazy. They just don’t know how to make good chicken soup or they’re probably taking it out of a tin. Now there’s so much stuff that’s come from chicken soup. If you have a look at the industry, so there was a one study where they went and realized that people that had a lot of chicken soup had less arthritis, and then they went back and said, “What the hell’s in chicken soup for that?” And they found out it’s the ones that use the carcass in the soup, and then they had the sternum and all the collagen, and that led through to chicken sternum industry, and then through to collagen X, and that has been a big part behind a lot of this booming collagen industry. Went back from the humble chicken soup.
Matt: In the early days, they realize that no one could probably own just collagen and that sort of stuff. Going back to the collagen story, so when they realized no one could probably own just collagen, because anyone can use it and then just say it’s grass fed or something anyway, but they worked out the chicken sternum and then the collagen X, and then they went through and analyzed and then used that analogy to actually discover chondroitins. And of chondroitins, they discovered glucosamines.
Matt: So, of a chondroitin molecule, 5% of the chondroitin molecule’s glucosamine. Surprisingly, chondroitin has a 5% bioavailability of effective components, which is typically the glucosamine. But then they went back, and they still, to this day, were going back trying to compare it to see if it was good as chicken soup, which it probably never was, because they’re only one small component.
Matt: Apart from that, we’ve got all the electrolytes, like a lot of the other… Apart from the chicken, what would we throw in a chicken soup would be usually whatever else is in the fridge, but if we throw in the old leaves, the celery, the celery leaves, throw some celery seeds and that sort of stuff into it and that sort of thing, potatoes, carrots, those sort of things, apart from the chicken, that is actually the old potassium and magnesium broth recipe. You get all your potassium and all your magnesium. Then we also have a nice dose of salt. And the saltiness with all that water and all those electrolytes is rehydrating. So that’s pretty cool. All of that from one little bucket of chicken and veggies.
Steve: Well, it gets even better than that.
Matt: Tell me.
Steve: Because that salt boosts interleukin-17 inside the tracks.
Matt: And that’s a chemoattractant isn’t it?
Matt: Drags all the immune cells into the area.
Steve: Drags in the immune cells. Salt boosts the immune system via T helper 17 and interleukin-17, and interleukin-23, which is parts of the immune system that ramp up to kill bugs.
Matt: That’s amazing. Does it also have that same effect as the sugar, of making the cells explode?
Matt: Like the all insides come outsides?
Steve: It attracts all the neutrophils around.
Matt: Into that area?
Matt: So, it swells up the area with basically fluid and snot, and all the immune complexes come into that swollen mucosa.
Matt: So, if you get a cut and scratches, because mum, whenever we had cuts and scratches, which was constantly, and before we put in the Mercurochromes I suppose, we would go to the beach. We’d always go the beach and get into the ocean, and get into that salty water, or at home we’d just make up big buckets of salty water or saline solution that would flush out your gums and all that sort of stuff, saline solution. So having that salty water in a wound and that sort of stuff, it’s not just to be mean.
Steve: No, no. Rubbing salt into the wound is a classic saying, and that causes osmosis [inaudible 00:11:00] with the bacteria, so it causes the cells to dehydrate and die.
Matt: Oh, does it in that sense?
Steve: And then the salt does, but in the body it attracts the interleukin-17s.
Matt: Yeah, wow. Because we’re all watery.
Matt: Yeah, so we can’t get that concentration within the body.
Steve: Yes, that’s right. Also, the bones that it comes from in the broth, the chicken is very high in zinc. You get immune boosting that way. Also, those vegetables you add in there have carotenoids and vitamins Cs, which boost the immune system. I’m just going through this scientific-
Matt: And then yeah, onions and garlics of course, they’re probably the classic home remedy for colds and flues we hadn’t even mentioned. Remember the old onion stuff where they used to always tell you to get the onion and you bake it in the oven? Then just squash all the juice out of it, then you can use that locally to kill infections.
Steve: There you go.
Matt: I’ve never done it. I’ve never done it too much, but I have tried it on myself and a few other people. But it was never a big thing where they’d do it for ear infections as well, so they squash it all out and put a little bit of the onion, couple of drops of the onion juice into the ear canal and it’ll sterilize and kill things really well.
Steve: I love it. I love it.
Matt: And with onion, there’s some really cool data on onion for scarring, too by the way.
Steve: Yeah. Also, the seasonings, they use a lot of peppers and those sort of things sometimes they put in chicken soup. That works very well. Of course, they use peppers and those sorts of things.
Matt: Those diaphoretics they talk about.
Matt: You can go Google diaphoretic and it’ll give you a list of peppers and things that actually make you sweat. The process of increasing perspiration and increasing your body temperature does a couple of things. Was it every degree that your temperature goes up, your immune system goes up how many fold?
Steve: Oh, loads.
Steve: Yeah, loads-fold.
Matt: Loads-fold, so for every one degree, it’s technically loads-fold increase in immune system. Shipload.
Steve: Shipload, that’s it.
Matt: Yeah, as opposed to…
Steve: Yeah, the other word we can’t say. But this is a paper on it, and it goes through all the benefits of it, but the other benefit is, is the fact of drinking the soup. They compared hot and cold soup.
Matt: Oh yeah?
Steve: You know you drink soup and you actually get vapors up your nose and it loosens the mucus.
Matt: So you should slurp it and do that.
Steve: Yeah, the slurping.
Matt: Do it again for us [crosstalk 00:12:58]
Steve: Oh, I’ll do it again. Ready? Go to camera. You get the breathing in up here and it kills all the… It’s great like that. I love those sort of things. Even the fact of drinking it.
Matt: Yeah. Wat did they say? How or cold? What do you do?
Matt: Hot’s better?
Steve: Hot’s better.
Matt: You get the hot stuff, you get the diaphoretics like the garlics, the ginger and that sort of stuff, some peppers and capsicums and all those sort of things, you throw all those in there, and they will actually increase your body temperature.
Steve: It does, too.
Matt: Your body then sweats as well, which is a good thing, and then that’ll actually reduce fever. So, the process of diaphoresis is actually to heat you up for the purpose of reducing fever.
Steve: Oh wow, see it’s beautiful. Love these papers. What else can we do for a common cold at home? If you’ve got some garlic of course, that’s antimicrobial.
Matt: Yeah. You know another thing? I was at a seminar the other week, and they were talking about sleep, and they said, “You sleep much better if you’re at a lower body temperature.” So, if your body’s cooler, you sleep better, and they did all these different ways of trying to make that happen. The best way was a really hot shower, and then your actual body temperature drops after the hot shower, and you sleep better. So, having a really hot shower might even be good when you feel like you’re expressing with a fever, or would you have a cold shower?
Steve: I would have a hot shower because you’d breathe in the vapors.
Matt: Depends what your fever is I suppose. If you were borderline dying, if you’re borderline febrile convulsions and seizures and shit like that, possibly don’t push it if you’re 40 degrees Celsius.
Matt: Maybe if you’re at the 37s and eights area you could probably push it up a notch and then sweat, and then have a nice deep sleep. Immune system goes spastic. The other way of cooling down your body was wearing thick gloves and socks.
Steve: Oh right. Okay.
Matt: Weird eh? It’s all about the reactions to the heat. [crosstalk 00:14:36] like.
Steve: Yeah. Which is a great homeopathic remedy. Okay, so we’ve got our common cold and flu, what if I told you to eat chocolate?
Matt: I’d do it, Steve.
Steve: I would do it.
Matt: If you told me to eat chocolate, I’d do it.
Steve: Because the Journal of Thoracic Disease says-
Matt: What are we doing this for?
Steve: Well if you’ve got a soothing a hacking cough.
Matt: Oh fuck. I mean oh, really?
Steve: Oh really.
Matt: To sooth a hacking cough I can have chocolate?
Steve: It does. Exactly.
Matt: Well it has to be just dark chocolate surely.
Steve: Dark chocolate, 70% or higher. The research was published in the Journal of Thoracic Disease. Dark chocolate is even more effective than codeine at soothing a hacking cough.
Steve: So now the mechanism’s wonderful. Because of the theobromic-
Matt: It’s because it’s chocolate.
Matt: Chocolate’s wonderful.
Steve: Yeah, of course.
Matt: So, I’ve had my honey. So, I’ve just drizzled the honey all through me throat. This is all because I don’t have codeine in the house obviously.
Matt: So, I don’t have codeine, so I’ve coated me throat in honey, and now you’re offering me chocolate?
Steve: After your chicken soup.
Matt: Yeah well. Yeah, cool.
Steve: Because it actually works very well because it blocks the adenosine receptors because of the theobromine.
Matt: Yeah, wow. So, this is interesting because this is where the aminophylline research originally started with asthma medications, because aminophyllines has a beta receptor agonist and the adenosine inhibition, they dilate bronchioles.
Steve: Yeah. Absolutely.
Matt: Theobromine does, and theobromines are more of a slow release, longer lasting effect than a high, powerful hit. This is also too, if you’re getting wheezy, if you’re really asthma, so with asthma and the wheeziness, it’s two things, it’s either the swelling and the inflammation from the phlegm and the mucus just clogging up, and the swollen membranes, or it’s the constriction. When you get the constriction, you can use strong black coffee as well, because we just get a really nice dose of theophylline, so you get theobromine from the cacao.
Matt: Then we get theophylline from our coffee, or you can have a Ventolin salbutamol, which it’s the same receptor. And that sort of stuff. But if you don’t have one, have a strong black coffee and a shit load of dark chocolate.
Steve: Awesome, eh?
Matt: Hell, yeah.
Steve: Now what if you’re having trouble sleeping after all that?
Matt: Because of the coffee?
Steve: Because you’ve got a cold.
Matt: Maybe don’t have the coffee.
Steve: Because you have all that sort of thing. You know you can chew cherries? Which are actually a source of melatonin.
Matt: How much though, Steve?
Steve: About two milligrams.
Matt: Oh wow. And how much cherries?
Steve: They said a dose of it, so a handful. Actually, yeah, a handful of cherries.
Matt: A handful of cherrubies?
Matt: Gives us two milligrams of melatonin?
Steve: Yeah. A handful.
Matt: Typically a dose of melatonin, I always usually get three milligram or something capsules, just to screw with our maths here, and then I’ll tell people to take one, two, or three of those. I very rarely use over 10 milligrams. Luckily we’ve only got two hands, so you could probably have a handful of cherries on each side, and then that’ll get you about four milligrams of melatonin, which should be enough.
Steve: Of course, all the beautiful vitamin Cs and all the other stuff in the cherries are good for you, too. All the tartness.
Matt: Hey, Steve, I eat cherries a lot during the day, but they don’t make me sleepy.
Steve: Oh, don’t they?
Steve: Well melatonin doesn’t put you to sleep, it just helps you give you more effective sleep.
Matt: Just deep sleep maintenance, huh?
Steve: Yeah. It doesn’t knock out norepinephrine or anything like that, so it’s good. What if I told you to have some liquorice root? Not the candy.
Matt: I’d probably say, “Oh bugger off, Steve, I don’t like liquorice.” But why would you say that, Steve? Maybe you could convince me.
Steve: It helps soothing the mucus membranes as well as being an expectorant. It sort of drifts into the… A lot of people don’t have liquorice root at home, but it’s a home remedy in a way isn’t it?
Matt: A lot of people might have liquorice bullets and that at home, but that’s not going to cut it, huh?
Matt: Yeah. Liquorice root, and the funny thing is liquorice, it is a good thing to have at home. Go into the Asian grocery stores and that sort of stuff, and buy the actual sticks and twigs of the liquorice so you can make up a proper tea without all other weird stuff in it. An interesting thing about liquorice, it has a very similar chemical structure and that sort of stuff to the glycyrrhizins. Have very similar chemical structure to cortisols, which is like a prednisone, which is a soothing antiinflammatory action straight away there.
Steve: That’s terrific. It’s really good for you for lots of reasons, so it’s a good one. It also upregulates, as you said, cortisol levels by [crosstalk 00:18:41]
Matt: Yeah. It also inhibits 11 beta-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase.
Steve: Steroid dehydrogenase, yeah.
Matt: It converts it into the inactive cortisone that then has a fluid retention effect or something.
Steve: Exactly. It does.
Matt: It preserves the half-life of your cortisol, so it’s a kind of thing if you’ve got a low blood pressure, low blood volumes, or if you’ve got what we think is adrenal exhaustion, then you can take liquorice tea all morning into the afternoon, but don’t have it at night because you don’t want to be keeping your cortisol higher at night.
Steve: Exactly. You don’t want cortisol high at night.
Matt: Yeah. But no one has liquorice at home.
Steve: No. No.
Steve: Have we done the colds and flu thing, or anything else we want to add to that?
Matt: I don’t know. I feel all right.
Matt: I feel much better now.
Steve: Because the supermarket has lots of reishi mushrooms and all these sorts of things if you wanted to-
Matt: Oh. Reishi mushrooms, brilliant. Do you know? We’ve got it in our resilience product, but I have a jar of it at home that I buy in just bulk reishi mushroom. It’s beautiful stock. It gives that umami flavor, so you can use it like stock cubes. The therapeutic dose for reishi where they did all the really high end stuff was six grams. That’s a teaspoon of just straight reishi powder.
Steve: Reishi, yeah.
Matt: So, you could easily add a teaspoon into your soups, and throw a teaspoon into your reishi, into your chicken and veggie soup. So far, my chicken and veggie soup, it’s going to be made of the chicken carcass mainly, because I’m more interested in getting all the collagen and bone stuff than I am the meat and the skin, so the cool, the perfect thing is, is you eat all the meat and skin in something nice like a salad or whatever, and the leftover thing you throw in.
Matt: Make sure you get that neck section and that sort of stuff as well, because that’s when we’re going to get a really whole heap of all these weird kind of stuff, and you want to make sure you get lots of sternum and everything. Then we’re going to throw in some reishi mushrooms as a stock, we’re going to throw in the onion and the garlic and the ginger. When you throw in things like celery, try to keep celery seeds at home because that’s a real more potent form of the celery, very good for diuretics and that, but the leaves off the celery are amazing, so don’t just get just the celery and throw all the other good stuff away. What else have we put in our chicken soup so far?
Steve: Oh look, you could put peppers in there.
Matt: You’re going to have the diaphoretics. We’re going to have some pepper and we’re going to have lots of salt. Don’t hold back on the salt for this, make it a nice bloody salty soup so it tastes good, too. Then the process of cooking this stuff right down liberates all the glutamates, which gives you all that flavor enhancement anyway, so you shouldn’t need to add a whole heap of sauces or flavoring agents, and you definitely don’t need to add all the stuff they put in the tins to get that flavor out, you just cook it for that little bit longer and you’re going to get that flavor, huh?
Steve: I wish I was clever in the kitchen because that sort of stuff I love doing, but I’m not so good with it. But that’s a great sort of thing, and then you have those other things we said afterwards. Now garlic also, if you paint garlic, you get the raw garlic and put in on the bottom of your feet and put socks on. That actually gets in your system.
Matt: Yeah. Problem, it’ll burn the shit out of your skin, so you’ve got to…
Steve: You got to be careful.
Matt: Oh man, I did it to some baby once.
Steve: Oh, baby.
Matt: I was [crosstalk 00:21:28] this whole thing. You put your crushed up garlic on the soles of the feet, you’ll go through, and then oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and then did it. It worked really well, and they come back, oh man, it really burnt the soles of the skin.” So, put something down like a gauze or two pairs of socks, so put a thin pair of sock, then put the garlic through, and then some more, and maybe not just leave it there for days. Yeah, and you’ll taste it, huh?
Matt: Even we make a product, CapZea, which is just a pain liniment based on capsicums and that sort of stuff. You put that on the soles of the feet you can taste it. It gets right in amongst it.
Steve: I’m going to try that one.
Matt: I’ll never forget one guy rang me up freaked out that he used it as a… Because it’s a roll-on and he had it in his gym bag, and he put it in his underarms. He rang up and said, “Man, I can taste it. Should I go to the hospital?” I said, “No, no, it’ll be fine.”
Steve: Go to the hospital.
Steve: Look, it’s really quite, quite-
Matt: Vicks as well, menthol on the soles of the feet.
Steve: Yeah, menthol.
Matt: Remember that old one?
Matt: So, we get the menthol camphors and that sort of stuff on the soles of the feet, and you can actually, it helps to, you breathe it. Yeah, and it the starts coming out through your lungs and it opens up the airways, breaks up the mucus.
Steve: Awesome isn’t it?
Matt: That actually works hey?
Matt: Does some weird stuff it turns up.
Steve: Yeah. After your chicken soup, for dessert you have some of those dark chocolate.
Matt: Yeah, some dark chocolate, and cherries.
Steve: Then cherries. So, you’re going to do yourself, this is on top of all those other… We’re not talking supplements here, but this is just those home remedies that we’re going to talk about for the common cold. Being winter it’s really …
Matt: So, when I go to sleep with a cough and a cold, because every time I lie down my head fills up with snot. This is gross. Not just every time I lie, no, we’re talking about okay, imagine I’ve got a head cold.
Steve: Head cold, yeah.
Matt: And then I lie down and then all of a sudden, I start coughing. Should I put my pillow up or elevate?
Steve: Yeah. Funny you should mention that because the monks-
Matt: Well, this was scripted a little, wasn’t it?
Steve: Yeah, a little bit.
Matt: I knew you were going to talk about it, something about some monks, “We sleep upright.”
Steve: Yeah, I sleep upright.
Matt: Because we’re not vampires.
Matt: Opposite in fact.
Matt: We love garlic and we sleep upright.
Steve: Exactly. But we still both don’t want the stake through the heart I’m sure. We’re both on the unity ticket with the vampires about-
Matt: I love steak. Anyway.
Steve: All right, so if you sleep upright, you’ve got to make sure your head’s supported, because when you go into REM sleep of course, you lose muscle tone so your head can go to the side. Have you ever seen those people on the train falling asleep and they go…
Matt: I’ve felt it.
Steve: Oh, you’ve felt it.
Matt: I’ve even felt it in my own head in the seminar. I didn’t realize I was fully REM.
Steve: Yeah. Well that’s when you lose muscle tone, with REM sleep.
Steve: So, sleeping upright, you’ve got to have your head supported and all this sort of stuff, so that’s the thing. Second thing, you don’t want to put too much pressure on your buttock because you can get DVTs, but there are ways of doing it that you can… DVT is deep vein thrombosis.
Matt: Why did you put two hands up when you were talking about the pressure on my buttocks? You just made it really awkward, Steve.
Steve: I’m just relieving the pressure.
Matt: Do it gently.
Steve: Yes, there we go. That’s a nice [crosstalk 00:24:06]
Matt: That’s better. Hang on, how do we sleep upright without being on our bum? Bottom, buttocks.
Steve: Yeah, the monks sleep in a box.
Steve: Yeah, I know.
Matt: They are vampires.
Steve: Okay, they sleep for five hours a night.
Matt: When they’re sick they’re off and coughing.
Steve: I can fix that cough. We’ve got the chocolate for the cough.
Matt: They’re sleeping upright. So, carry on. These monks don’t sleep upright, do they?
Steve: 70 degree upright. 90 degrees is that, so 70 degrees is sort of, if we go to the camera…
Matt: They’re just leaning back, I fell over a bit.
Steve: Yeah. Leaning back a bit, and they cross their legs and they sit on a pillow.
Matt: That can’t be good, could it? You’d end up with bum grapes and varicose veins from your legs getting all squashed and stuff.
Steve: I know. I’m not a fan, but they sleep-
Matt: I know you’re not fan. That was a silly analogy, you look nothing like a fan.
Steve: So, they sleep for five hours because then it gives them more time to meditate.
Matt: I bet they do.
Steve: Yeah, wouldn’t be any longer would it?
Matt: Wouldn’t you want to sleep for eight hours properly?
Steve: Yeah, well I would, but these guys …
Matt: Well hang on, what’s the benefit in that?
Steve: Because then they get more time to pray.
Matt: No, no, not …
Steve: That’s their benefit.
Matt: Yeah. No, regardless of that, why would they sleep sitting up, like leaning against a wall with their bum grapes and their legs?
Steve: Their face there, their direction for praying and that sort of thing. That’s their philosophy. I don’t agree with it.
Matt: Well why is this a home remedy? Well tell us the relevance of this story. I’m confused.
Steve: The relevance is that when you need to sleep upright when you’ve got your head full of snot.
Matt: Oh that’s right I started that shit.
Steve: Support your neck.
Matt: Carry on.
Steve: Yeah, support your neck with one of those neck pillows that come round here to stop-
Matt: Hang on. Monks do not have travel neck pillows.
Steve: No. They actually tie their head to the board.
Matt: They tie it? This is just getting out of control, Steve.
Steve: You asked about it.
Matt: Who’s home are you getting these remedies from? Yeah, carry on.
Steve: Okay. So if you need to sleep upright because you’ve got a cold now. The monks do one way, I don’t agree with that way. This is the way I think you should do it-
Matt: Go on, now you all of a sudden, you don’t agree with them. All of sudden it was home remedies from the monks to save the world, now we don’t agree with it. But carry on.
Steve: I’ve slept upright when you’ve got those lung infections and that sort of thing, but you just have to support your head. Because you know epinephrine levels lose and then you’ll lose your muscle tone and then you get a crooked neck, and you wake up, and you’re all sort of … [inaudible 00:26:16] for that one a few times. So make sure you support your neck if you’re going to sleep upright when you got a cold.
Matt: Oh good. Probably good for heartburn, too.
Matt: Stops everything from falling up and keeps everything down. And I know with a chest, if you have a really phlegmy chest then you sleep upright, you don’t cough as much when you’re asleep. But that’s because you’re not clearing anything out of your chest.
Matt: So, you’re probably better off doing some pummeling and clear as much out of you as you can as possible before you go to sleep.
Steve: Well, the [inaudible 00:26:41] would see if they sleep upright, I’m sorry, see if they have cystic fibrosis.
Matt: Cystic fibrosis?
Steve: Cystic fibrosis, yeah. They sleep upright because their lungs, but also people with hiatus hernias they sleep upright so they don’t get that esophageal reflux. But again, it’s not good long-term-
Matt: So, I know I’ve got edema in my feet and that sort of stuff and swelling. I put my feet up as well. So, that’s always lymphatic. So, with the brain we have glial cells that regulate the lymphatic drainage channels for our brain. And for that reason it’s called the glymphatic system, and it regulates the water movements through our brain and the cerebral spinal fluid and everything like that. Cerebral spinal fluid then through the brain stem and through our spinal cord and it’s all regulated by posture and all that sort of stuff. So, in our body the lymphatic system has muscles that pump it. Okay? So the best way to get rid of lymphatic congestion is exercise and that sort of stuff.
Matt: So, with the brain, when we’re sitting up it makes sense that we’d be able to drain, all that stuff would drain out easier. But the thing is that confuses me a bit with it, is that as we’re sleeping we get an increase in water of our brain by about 60%. So, what happens is this water floods these channels and as the channels flood, because our skull’s a certain size, the white and gray matter kind of shrinks off a little bit while we’re sleeping to open up these channels to allow this water to regulate through the cerebral spinal fluid. They’ve been trying to work out for years what the best posture is for regulating the lymphatics in our brain.
Matt: Of course, if you got neck problems, you got postural problems, perhaps a big range hunch back or spinal stenosis calcification happening through your inner ear, through the spinal cord and all that sort of weird stuff that we’re seeing all the time, these are big signs that you’re not flushing that water in and out of your brain properly when you sleep. And it’s also really important then to get proper cycles, 1 1/2 hours, those 90-minute cycles over and over again trying to get a good eight hours sleep, or something like that so we can flush all this water away.
Matt: When they did the studies on the animals, they found rats for example, are better off curled up on their side. And then they found that’s how rats sleep. Then they looked out all these different animals, they looked at naturally the way those animals sleep. They were either in a fetal position or something like that, was the best way for that.
Steve: All right.
Matt: Now with humans, because I was curious, if maybe that would help if we had our thing up because it helps that drainage, but it’s equally important to have the fluid flushing up as it is flushing out. So, then I was a bit confused, so I’ve done a little bit more research and it looks like we’re better off on our sides. So, what do they call it, recumbent lateral sleeping? Left or right and probably a bit of switching around. So, we’re supposed to move a little bit because that’s also part of aiding these drainage channels. So, we’re not supposed to be just straight flat on our back or straight on our front. When I used to do surf life saving stuff, and I remember, I can’t remember what they called it.
Steve: Recovery position.
Matt: Recovery position, something stupid like. And so we used to have this thing where they, so you’re on the side with that one leg over and the other leg straight and that there, so all the drool can fall out, and all that sort of stuff. So, that seems to be the best way to sleep to regulate lymphatic stuff through our brain. That would still be cool to do, like colds and flus and that sort of stuff, it should still help all that drainage because you’re going to have, surely it’s going to be all linked.
Matt: I mean I can’t imagine the lymphatic system that runs through the brain not working the same way as through the sinuses, the ear, if you imagine the eustachian tubes that’s going to go down into that throat and that opened airways, the ability to breathe. And you probably even find posturally, that sleeping on your side with a cold and a flu and that sort of stuff that you can actually breathe out, one side of your sinuses might free up a little bit while the other one fills and then we can switch. So, while we’re sleeping, don’t do what the monks do. Those guys don’t even get colds and flus, and they definitely didn’t have cherries before bed.
Matt: I think that makes a lot of sense. How with side sleeping you can still breathe, I mean that was the way when people are unconscious we kept them breathing. So, I mean surely with a cold and a flu that would be the way.
Steve: It is, and because you can do a deeper sleep, too, you get more recovery. Now as you know, cold and flu tablets have antihistamines in there. Not so much to reduce histamine, but to put you to sleep. Because they realize that sleeping is a very, very important way to heal. And even if you sleep, if you’re a bit sick and you got to sleep for half an hour, people say I’ll wake up and I’ll feel a hell of a lot better. That is a great home remedy. Sleep.
Matt: When you go into that deep sleep, when you got a cold and a flu, your immune system goes crazy.
Steve: It does.
Matt: So, when you go into those deep sleep, your cortisol levels drop as much as they can drop under an immune challenge, which is why again you have stupid dreams and weird busy dreams when you crook, because of these constant signals that are coming through as a stress response. Saying if you’re not punching something and fighting you should be hiding. I don’t go in that deep sleep, but if you can get into that deep sleep and you breakout in that sweat, your temperature rises and that sort of stuff as well, and that helps kill off the bugs.
Steve: It’s a great… Yeah, also NK cells dry up when you sleep, too, which is what kills bugs, natural killer cells. So, sleeping is a great home remedy, weirdly. And it’s one that we all can do. But what we need to do is to do it better. And it sounds weird because when I was trying it was like make sure they get seven to eight hours of sleep, but what sort of sleep? Just put them to bed, and it wasn’t discussed. And now we know that there’s hygienic sleep and there’s all these electromagnetic radiations, and all these things to help us sleep better, and sleeping on our side is one such thing. So, it’s vitally important. I think that it’s one of the best things you can do.
Steve: What’s up?
Matt: You, you’re a physics kind of guy.
Steve: Yeah, I used to be.
Matt: There’s this theory. I do it, and I don’t know why I still do it, but I always rig up my bed so my head goes to the North and then my feet to the South. And I honestly thought it was… Because I used to do a lot of camping, and I used to sleep in tents, and then if you didn’t do it that way you got woken up by the sun. So, I always thought it had something to do with just not having the sun in your eyes. But there’s some magnetism theory. What happens there?
Steve: There is. As you know, the Earth, and I’m sorry to go a bit physics here, but-
Matt: Don’t apologize, I started this. I said, “Steve, you’re a physics guy,” you can tell us a bit about this magnet stuff.
Steve: Well, if you think of the Earth as a big ball all right, 7,900 kilometers across, most of the inside is molten iron. That’s why when you dig a whole deep, 10 kilometers, it heats up. The Earth is spinning at 1,000 kilometers an hour, but as you know when somethings spinning there’s something catching up to it. So, the molten iron is closing friction inside there and when metals move it creates a magnetic field.
Steve: Now we just call it North and South Pole, but this is a bit more technical so think of the magnetic waves coming out of the North Pole and back into the South Pole. Now if you take a bar magnet, one of those ones, that’s if you put them on iron filings, this was Physics 101, the iron filings make the shape of that thing here. So, there’s basically electromagnetic radiation running through the entire Earth. And the theory is if you sleep with your head to the North and feet to the South, you get a better sleep because it aligns with the magnetic field. And I thought it was BS, but it really is actually true.
Matt: That’s crazy.
Steve: It’s simply because, I mean, electrons-
Matt: You know what I’m thinking about while you’re talking. I’m just imagining if the world stopped spinning we just going smashing into that wall. [crosstalk 00:34:06] It’s a trip to think that right now we’re spinning like… How fast are we spinning?
Steve: About 1,000 kilometers an hour.
Matt: I knew you’d know that shit. Now, imagine if we suddenly stop, we just smack into that wall right there at 1,000 kilometers an hour.
Steve: But we won’t stop, because …
Matt: But it’s weird.
Matt: What did you say?
Steve: Because of Newton’s 2nd Law, which means that you’ll keep going unless a force acts in the opposite direction. There’s no force.
Matt: Yeah, the wall.
Steve: That stopped the earth?
Matt: [crosstalk 00:34:36] stuck to the earth. Yeah, but it just fully trips me up that we can’t feel ourselves spinning.
Steve: Well, you know our galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy, we’re in a spiral nebula on the outside so we’re going fast relative to the spiral nebula. Speed is relative. If you’re sitting inside a car with your eyes closed, you might be able to feel the car moving, but you don’t actually really know you’re going 100 kilometers an hour.
Matt: Yeah, and you can sit there and throw a ball in the air and then catch it and it’s like [crosstalk 00:34:58]
Steve: Because the balls going 100 when it leaves your hand and your brains at 100.
Matt: I know, it’s just, oh …
Steve: You should’ve been a physicist. This is the shit that we talk about all day.
Matt: No, no, if I was a physicist, I’d be mental. I’m bad enough as it is, but if you gave me … Imagine if someone introduced me to quantum physics, I’d fully flip out.
Steve: Quantum is basically the study of the very, very, very small. Because the laws of Newtonian laws that we’re talking about now break down when we go into the microscopic. They don’t work. They change. And Einstein died trying to reconcile the macro with the microphysics. And he couldn’t figure it out-
Matt: Man, how the hell did Ant-Man breathe when he’s so small? The oxygen molecule would’ve been bigger than him. Did he shrink his own and take his own oxygen with him?
Steve: Well, he went into the quantum realm, which is-
Matt: That’s like the ultimate bends. Imagine him trying to come back up.
Steve: There’d be no oxygen in the quantum realm, because if you’re the size of say a proton, there’s of course, as you know 16 protons in an oxygen molecule, and so it’s the 16 times the size of you.
Matt: Home Remedy 101 do not shrink down to quantum level size to get these electronics or anything.
Steve: That’s next on my list here.
Matt: You might get the bends on the way back.
Steve: You get the bends on the way back. Notching bubbles and that’s the bends. So, this quantum physics and the physics of the Earth-
Matt: I’ve got a feeling that Ant-Man’s not true.
Steve: No. Tell me the next thing you’ll be saying is Superman’s not true.
Matt: Don’t go there, Steve.
Steve: No. So, this electromagnetic radiation is real and if you’ve ever seen homing pigeons.
Matt: Oh yeah, not in my home.
Steve: Yeah, yeah, but-
Matt: But someone else.
Steve: They drive off in a truck for 1,000 kilometers and they can find their way back to their …
Matt: That’s amazing, [inaudible 00:36:38] whether they’re flying around, like in a flock.
Steve: No, in the competitions they drive-
Matt: They drive themselves to the comp.
Steve: They drive themselves, yeah. Little things on the wheels.
Matt: That reminds me of a story, me and my mate were driving behind this truck once. Me and Dan, Dan [inaudible 00:36:54], if you’re there, a big shout out. We were driving and he was drunk. No, he wasn’t. Anyway, we were behind this truck and it was like a chook truck, and this little chook, his arm was, his little wing was coming out. And we were like “Go, chook, go.” His head coming through the other way, and this whole chook coming flying out, then ran away. We were like “Go, chook, go.” It was very exciting.
Steve: It made it.
Matt: It made it.
Steve: That’s awesome.
Matt: Pretty sure that there was irrelevant. There we go. [crosstalk 00:37:20] It was fucking amazing, I just remembered it.
Steve: So, this electromagnetic radiation obviously has-
Matt: Hang on, what’s that got to do with our homing pigeons driving trucks? Tell us about the homing pigeons driving trucks.
Steve: That’s how they navigate back to the actual little house where they live 1,000 kilometers away.
Matt: What, what?
Steve: The electromagnetic radiation coming out of the Earth.
Matt: How do they know-
Steve: That’s how they navigate.
Matt: With what?
Steve: That’s how homing pigeons navigate back to where they live.
Matt: What? That doesn’t make sense.
Steve: I know, it doesn’t make sense, but that’s how they do it.
Matt: No, but how does their house, how do they know… Because they have North and South Pole, they’re just like …
Steve: If you had a compass you can navigate your way around.
Matt: So, you’re talking about a compass sort of shit? All right.
Steve: They have an internal compass. That’s all a compass is, it’s a magnetic piece of metal that follows the electromagnetic radiation. They’ve got one in their brain that can be extraordinarily accurate and points them straight back to their house.
Matt: And the flock itself, they way they all move in unison’s all in a big electromagnetic field, as well.
Steve: It’s all perception, that’s why they got their eyes on the side of their head. It’s really weird thing, like bats with their echo systems. They have amazing processes to find their way around. But this is so powerful, isn’t it?
Matt: So, wait a minute. Why are we talking about homing pigeons and home remedy. Probably they can go to their chemist and get you codeine, you don’t have to do all this other stuff.
Steve: That’s just it, they [inaudible 00:38:33].
Matt: Take your truck, go get your truck, get me some codeine.
Steve: Get in your truck, go get codeine.
Matt: And then leave old Peter, the pigeon, there to drive the truck home.
Steve: That’s right. Well Peter, the pigeon, uses these powerful electromagnetic radiation that’s going to every-
Matt: Called Map Man.
Matt: He uses Google Maps [crosstalk 00:38:51] leader, because he’s just the truck driver.
Steve: Use Google Maps. Exactly.
Matt: The rest of them are homing pigeons.
Steve: Exactly. So, that’s so powerful these guys can find back to their little hen, back home, right their little house. And we’re sleeping in this every day and every night.
Matt: You’re sleeping in their house?
Steve: In this electromagnetic radiation cesspool.
Matt: Why don’t you get your own house instead of sitting in the pigeons’ electromagnetic radioactive cesspool? Fucking, oh hell, what are you talking about, Steve?
Steve: That’s why we have to sleep North and South.
Steve: So, we stop going through it. We don’t interfere with it. That’s the theory behind it.
Matt: All right and the slight inclination if you’re a monk.
Steve: If you’re a monk.
Matt: 70 degrees.
Steve: 70 degrees.
Matt: With your head tied to a fence.
Steve: That’s it, see this is good information.
Matt: And your feet crossed.
Steve: Yeah, your feet crossed. Like on your ass.
Matt: No cough, no heartburn, nothing if you’re a monk.
Steve: Nothing. Hiatus hernia, say goodbye to the hiatus hernia and say goodbye to it because it gets better.
Matt: That’s terrible, Steve. Now …
Steve: So, you want another one?
Matt: Yeah, please.
Steve: All right. Let’s go. What about your teeth, are they white enough?
Matt: I think they’re fantastic, actually. Why? What are you trying?
Steve: Well, you can use bicarbonate soda to whiten your teeth.
Matt: I do like doing that actually. It’s easy and refreshing.
Steve: Yeah. And they’re putting it in our toothpaste now. But, you can also use strawberries.
Matt: Why, what? What? Straw… What?
Steve: Yeah, you can mash three or four into pulp, sprinkle on baking soda, and then put them in your mouth and it whitens your teeth.
Matt: Rubbish. Wow, really? They’re bright red, Steve.
Steve: University in Spongberg, Indonesia found this out, that it whitens teeth.
Steve: And baking soda.
Matt: Strawberries and baking soda.
Steve: Strawberries and baking soda whiten teeth.
Matt: Actually I usually have both of those at home and toothpaste, but if I don’t have toothpaste, I’ll give that a crack. And charcoal too, right?
Matt: Right, that’s black. I was going to say bright black. That’s black, black.
Steve: It’s black and it’s abrasion on the … Of course, all the biofilm on your teeth.
Matt: Oh. So is it not good?
Steve: No, it’s good.
Matt: Oh, it is good.
Steve: It is good.
Matt: So biofilm’s the plaque that the bugs build to protect themselves.
Matt: I call that rendering to protect my wonderful teeth, because when I chip that off, they’re white. So, that’s not good we want to break that biofilm and-
Steve: That’s what you go to the dentist for and they give you that high pressure hose in your mouth and get rid of all that.
Matt: We use charcoal, [crosstalk 00:41:03] charcoal and strawberries and …
Steve: These guys didn’t in the study, but why not?
Matt: What’s in tomatoes that… Why are we talking about tomatoes for? What’s in strawberries that make your teeth get whiter?
Steve: Ellagic acid breaks down the biofilm.
Matt: Man that is fascinating. That is really cool. But you know what else is really cool about that, because the ellagic acid, ellagic acid in response to the microbiome that lives in your mouth actually converts into these things called urolithins, which are really powerful at interacting with bone to increase bone. They are very powerful at increasing the strength [inaudible 00:41:34] and improving dental properties just through the estrogen receptor modification. How interesting is that?
Steve: I found it very interesting. That’s why I thought I’d bring it up. There’s some really cool ones here. There’s another for chapped lips, which is olive oil. And I went …
Matt: It’s pretty boring.
Steve: It’s a bit boring until you realize the mechanism of action in it’s the polyphenols in it. And it was published in the International Journal of Research in Cosmetic Science. Never heard of that journal, but I went, “Wow, that’s good.” So, it works very, very well. So, it’s to do with the polyphenols in it. So, it’s not just the oil making you feel good. It’s the polyphenols.
Matt: That’s what I thought it would have been just an oiliness to [crosstalk 00:42:09]
Steve: I was going to go forget that one, don’t worry about that one. So, really good. And what about if you’re out and you get bitten by midges and all that sort of thing. What do you do about that?
Matt: I scratch them.
Steve: Scratch them.
Matt: What do you do? What do you do?
Steve: I put potato on them.
Steve: I put potato on them.
Matt: Bet you’ve done it.
Steve: No, I don’t. No, this is published in the Agriculture of Entomology Journal and it really does help. Raw potato.
Matt: And then, what? Why?
Steve: It’s mostly anti-inflammatory properties and you just have raw potatoes and it works.
Matt: Because there’s other things here with the potatoes, you grate up the potatoes. Previously, while I’ve been breastfeeding I’ve done that to fix my mastitis. So, that’s a real thing. Is that through anti-inflammatory mechanisms as well?
Steve: I’m not sure about that one. I know cabbage leaves are due to anti-inflammatory.
Matt: Yeah. Can you do poultice of potato for other injuries or anything?
Steve: Yeah, you can. When I had inflamed knees, when I had the arthritis many years ago, I was told about that and put it on my knees and they felt better. I couldn’t see any swelling going down, but they definitely felt better. And everyone thought I was weird, but I was doing the thin potato on the grater thing and myself and…
Matt: What about me? Everywhere I travel I take those big bags of electric soda, those sodium carbonate crystals. It just looks like I’m an ice mule, because I take these big bags of crystals everywhere I go and every time I get on my little fly, the customs have opened my bag and checked it. Typically, what I found with those, is that you get the soda crystals and they absorb moisture out of stuff.
Steve: They do.
Matt: And you put them in the … So what I do I put them in the socks. Normally I wear socks during the day and then I use those socks, I fill them up with soda crystals and I wrap them around any swollen joints, and you go to sleep or something. No, I don’t wrap it and then go to sleep like you make a pillow and put disclaimers in, and then you basically wake up like three hours later and it’s all crusty and rank, and your swollen limb is all like shrunk down and all wrinkly like a scrotum and all the fluids just come out. It looks like, you know when you … In the salty water or something in the water and you get the prune-y fingers and that, it can do that. That’s how much fluid it’s like sucking out.
Steve: It’s amazing.
Matt: So, that’s cool. And that’s sodium carbonate crystals. In Australia, they call it electric soda, or they’re washing soda crystals that used to have for the hard water. When there’s too much calcium in the water, it doesn’t lather up. So, you find it … And that’s cool because you put it in your laundry anyway, and it makes it much, much softer water.
Steve: There’s two reasons why we used to put sodium bicarbonate in the dish washing [inaudible 00:44:41] at least to develop. The first one was the hard water because hard water stops lathering.
Matt: And hard water’s calcium, huh?
Steve: Yeah, calcium and magnesium. And so the carbonate would bind with the calcium magnesium forming insoluble salt and be washed out, but then the water would lather up. And the other one was to increase the pH to kill the microbes in your clothes, so you don’t smell anymore clothes. That’s why we used to put it in there.
Matt: Well, that’s so clever.
Steve: We were super clever in those days.
Matt: Yeah, so that’s why I can [crosstalk 00:45:09] What else can we use on a swollen joint? I’m just hijacking this section.
Steve: No, no, no.
Matt: Because we got, we talked about the soda crystals and the potato. That’s about it, huh? Comfrey. Comfrey if you’re going to grow them is bloody brilliant. The problem is comfrey it’s got these funny little hairs on it, irritate the shit out of your skin. Lot of people, it has a reputation, comfrey being very good for ulcers and stomach ulcers internally as well, but I don’t know if we’re allowed to tell people to take it internally in Australia.
Steve: In England you are.
Matt: Yeah, but that’s because in Australia there’s a section in the Darling Downs, I think, where they got some poisoning. But what they didn’t disclose was that a tiny comfrey leaf has the same amount of iridoid glycosides in it. A fresh baby iridoid glycoside leaf is the same as a big one, so you get a big comfrey leaf, it’s got the same amount of poison as a tiny leaf. So, when you eat, if you just go around indiscriminately eating the small leaves you get poisoned. But it still took a number of heck days worth of consumption over a long period of time for the cows to get sick, but they still banned it in humans for internal consumption.
Steve: Yeah, and it’s safe for people in England, but not for Australians.
Matt: Yeah, so anyway, if you do it put down a poultice, put down a tea towel or something, wet tea towel or something first, and then you bash up your… I always do that. Hey, I used to get the poultices, who makes it work faster I reckon, too. I used to get the … I just soak the tea towels and make them in hot water something, make like a cup of tea in it and then I’ll put the leaves in it and then I’ll bash them and then wrap it on.
Matt: I find you get more of the stuff coming in, but comfrey was an amazing one for that. I love it. And man, it’s harder, it’s hard to kill, you get some of that ground, it’s good.
Steve: I used to grow it when I was studying, because it was banned and I still used to use it. First to make [inaudible 00:46:48].
Matt: I know a lot of indigenous communities that make like a clay kind of poultice and let it get hard. Is it just acting like a splint? Or is there other things that clay-
Steve: No, no. There is clay. There is particularly, diatomaceous earth clay, it’s very good for drawing fluids out.
Matt: Yeah, right. What was that word you just said?
Steve: Diatomaceous earth. It’s great for binding toxins. For example, and I’m going back to my soap days as a chemist, we used to put it in the soap mix because it would bind up all the toxins out of the animal intestines.
Matt: Yeah, right. Is it negatively charged, or something, and it absorbs positively charged things?
Steve: Yeah, yeah. It’s exactly right. It’s got enzymes in them and it binds it up and forms an insoluble salt and you just purify that out. Because soap’s made from animal intestines and animal brains and animal bits that you don’t eat, and the fatty parts. And then you just add it with caustic soda and you end up with a reaction called the saponification reaction. You put diatomaceous earth in there to get rid of the impurities. You end up with soap and a chemical called lye, L-Y-E, which turns into glycerine, just another glycerine soap. So, that’s how soap’s made. And you use diatomaceous earth to remove the impurities.
Matt: So, if people, and this is another thing I recommend people add to their home remedies, I say get some clay and keep it at home and I’ll always get the Australian healing clay and that sort of stuff. Only because I’m always nervous about other places. You know, what’s in their dirt, because it’s going to be absorbed into the clay like a sponge. So, my kids they know, my kids are crazy they’ll go in and just start smashing all these mushrooms off the ground by kicking them and then they’ll go back and then come in and tell you that they tasted funny or something. So, anyway they come where’s my dirt water?
Steve: Dirt water?
Matt: So, my kids will come in and ask for dirt water. So, they actually get the water and the teaspoons of the clay and anything that’s like a potential poison or toxin, or even if you’ve got an infection or gastritis, we always throw the clay in. And it’s the best way to just absorb up the toxin, but be aware that it is absorbing anything that’s good, too. That’ll take in all the positive charged calciums and magnesiums and all that sort of stuff as well.
Steve: So, you don’t have it every day, but it’s a great remedy.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, it’s good life saving thing. The funny thing is, is where I first got excited about it, when I was a kid I was watching a documentary, you know David Rabbitborough does those documentaries?
Matt: He goes, “You know I’m hanging around the water hole.” All the animals come in and there was one pile of clay, and so all the animals in the jungle went to the clay once a day. And there was like this weird like little truce thing going on, you know, they don’t try to kill everyone. And they all come in because they’re all eating berries and all this weird stuff out of the jungle that often had a lot of poisons in them. Then they go and smash this clay every day to actually go through and absorb all the poisons, so they could get all the benefits from the fruit and veggie not the toxins.
Matt: Yeah, cool.
Steve: I love it.
Matt: And I watch that and that’s why I was so fascinated by this clay, and then I just started looking right into clay. Clay is really good, and again, if you got the clay, I find that it’s the best make-up remover. As a cleanser and that sort of stuff, so I get the clay, add a little bit of moisture to it.
Steve: Should I ask how you know this?
Matt: No, mate. And it leaves it silky soft, but I find I have to double cleanse on a heavy make-up day. And I go through, and I use it, and I mean the silkiness of it, even I let the wife use it some times.
Steve: Sometimes, yeah.
Matt: But that is the best for that sort of thing and it’s so perfect, and also, too dry skin brushing. So again we have those cellulite creams, and we got all those other skin stuff that’s going on. If you do dry skin brushing, get those lymphatics moving with a dry skin brushing, clear out the pores and that sort of stuff. Then you put some clay, and you get clay make it like a paint, butter up, and then let it dry and it seems to open up, it cleans out all, it unclogs all those pores. But you let it dry and then brush it all off and everything goes so silky smooth, it gets rid of all those old layers of dead skin and all that sort of stuff.
Steve: That’s awesome.
Matt: Clay’s brilliant. What else you got?
Steve: Well, I want to tell you about clay, because-
Matt: Oh, one more for the clay.
Matt: Abscesses in the mouth, if it’s handy, you can get clay and make a little parcel out of like a tissue sort of stuff or gauze better. Tissue disintegrates. So, you get the gauze and you fill it up with clay, make a little parcel, and you put it next to the swollen gum and it draws everything out.
Steve: That’s awesome.
Steve: Another thing you can do with clay, is if you had to drink out of a waterhole, and it’s shitty water, you dig a hole about two feet away from the thing and you let it fill up with water, it draws through the clay and removes the toxins so you can drink it.
Matt: Yeah, exactly. So you can get those same clay, there was this very simple process that you can actually get grass into a bit of structure, you make a clay pot and you cook it, and then you use that as a filter. You just fill it up with water and all the water that drips out is perfectly purified. So, you can actually make your own filters if you’re really stuck out in the bush without water, clean water and a shit load of clay. And that little clay oven will be handy as well.
Steve: Well, let’s say you were stuck at home and you’ve got a toothache.
Steve: What do you do about that? Yeah, we take the codeine, we go to the dentist. Forget that shit. I want to use vanilla extract for toothaches.
Matt: Yup, what, what?
Steve: Vanilla extract for toothaches.
Matt: Does it work?
Steve: It does work. I’m glad you asked.
Matt: You serious?
Steve: Yeah, absolutely.
Matt: Dead serious. I just got my wisdom tooth ripped out the other day at the age of bloody 43. But before that I was boiling up, I get cloves, I get a pot I fill up with cloves and caraway seeds and I boil the buggery out of that. And anise seed as well, just because I like it.
Steve: It tastes good.
Matt: Yeah, but you’re saying I should’ve put some vanilla extract in it.
Steve: A little bit.
Matt: Not vanilla beans? No.
Steve: Yeah, vanilla is antimicrobial and you just put it on the toothache, it’s usually infection, gingivitis and it very much helps. [crosstalk 00:52:11] It’s amazing, isn’t it? It’s just like all these home remedies they’re all published in journals and they find some relief. Another one that we talked about before was about bug bites, but how do you keep mosquitoes off your skin?
Matt: Don’t know.
Steve: B vitamins.
Matt: Oh yeah, B1 but they’re not home remedy taking extra B1.
Steve: Well, I don’t know. Could be good.
Matt: What, you rub vegemite all over your self?
Steve: Oh, it’s pretty good.
Matt: And they will say that neem and citronellas and those sort of things, they do work. So neem trees, but neem’s funny because I grew a heap of neem trees around where we had all these mosquitoes, thinking that they’d just keep away from my yard. It doesn’t work, you pretty much have to bash the oil out of it. Yeah, you got to get the oil.
Steve: Can I take you to Texas University, yeah? Texas A&M University.
Matt: That’s where Rich is. That’s where Rich is.
Matt: What did he find?
Steve: Well, Mark Rich found that if you …
Steve: What’s his name?
Matt: Rich Kreider.
Steve: Rich Kreider, that’s right.
Matt: No, he probably didn’t do this. He just finds stuff. Anyway, carry on.
Steve: Dilute bleach actually helps with mosquito bites.
Steve: Relieves the itch.
Matt: I bet it does. Bleach?
Steve: Bleach. Blot bleach on mosquito bites. Works really well. And that’s the research out of the Texas A&M University.
Matt: That’s kind of… Would that be good for you?
Steve: Dilute bleach is fine.
Matt: Yeah, right.
Matt: What is bleach?
Steve: Well, bleach is a strong oxidizing agent and when you-
Matt: I’m not [inaudible 00:53:30] you or something? What is it?
Steve: Oh, it’s usually hydrogen perchloride or it can be made from hydrogen peroxide, which talked about with H2O2, but it’s usually a chlorine related oxidizer.
Matt: On my Instagram, I got a good photo of something not to do. Because I had a wonderful home remedy for my spider bites. Remember I got bitten by a spider.
Steve: That’s right. And what did you do?
Matt: It put a big hole in my arm and they were talking about amputating my arm because it started migrating to my armpit. So, now panicked and I thought, “Oh, I’ll do the old hydrogen peroxide to sterilize it.” But typically they do that with about 3% hydrogen peroxide as a medical emergency and I had 35% at home. So I put it on craziest experience. Didn’t really hurt, it was quite weird, it bubbled and fizzed like crazy and made really hard blisters. And it messed it up. Then I pretty much had third degree chemical burns, which apparently was going to take a long time to heal, but that’s when I had some cool stuff to help the healing. I did all the collagens and all that sort of stuff, but man it sterilized the wound.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
Matt: But that was bad, so probably do 3%. Man, there’s YouTube videos on it, too that I’ve seen. I wish I filmed it, because it was crazy. Just fizzed and bubbled and popped and crackled, and it was kind of like so cool I just kept doing it. Only because it didn’t hurt, it was like how could you do so much damage and not be hurt. But then I managed to fix it in about three weeks with all the collagen and stuff that we were experimenting with.
Steve: Because most things, infection from, say if the spider’s eating bugs and they pull up a lot of anaerobes, and if you put hydrogen peroxide on it it’s extremely aerobic, because it breaks down to O2. It’s-
Matt: It’s the tiniest spider.
Steve: Yeah, yeah. And if you think peroxide is H2O2, okay, so it’s got an extra oxygen compared to water. And if you take two of those molecules it changing to H2O and two oxygens or O2, which is oxygen that is why it all bubbles. With the oxygen therefore kills the microbes because they’re anaerobes, in other words without air. So, if you give them loads of oxygen, they die. So, that’s why you put hydrogen peroxide on wounds. 5%, not 35, but that sort of thing. Well, let’s say you’ve been out fishing Matt and you get sunburnt. What do you do? You go home.
Matt: Is that what you were going to say?
Steve: No, but that’s another good one.
Matt: I watch this show, there’s a show on TV, it’s like a lion’s den for natural medicine ideas. The Dragons’ Den or what’s the den? It’s that place, you know they pitch their ideas to-
Steve: Oh yeah, The Dragons’ Den.
Matt: And they had the doctors, but this one was for natural ideas, because they had all the hippy music and then they had the doctors [inaudible 00:56:05].
Steve: We’ll decide.
Matt: One guy come up and he’s a tomato farmer and he says all the workers that come over from the U.K. and Europe and come work his tomato things they get smashed. They all get really sunburnt and they just smash tomato on themselves and it gets rid of their sunburn. Takes away the soreness and the redness. Now tomatoes, obviously loaded full of lycopene, which we know when you take it internally it works. But how cool is that, they ridiculed him and said, “Maybe you should try watermelon.” Now that was genius. I thought it was really good. I love that there’s one doctor on that show, the brain surgeon guy, he’s amazing. I honestly love that guy.
Steve: I’ve never seen that show.
Matt: Oh man, you should see it. It’s kind of it’s cool, but it’s kind of not so cool, it’s like almost a bit insulting.
Steve: You know, this works and if they’ve shown it …
Matt: Oh, what was your story? I just interrupted.
Steve: Aloe Vera.
Steve: Aloe Vera.
Matt: Oh yeah.
Steve: It’s a classic, isn’t it?
Matt: Yeah, it is.
Steve: And it’s been well researched, too.
Matt: You got to get the jelly right in the middle, not the slimy stuff immediately beyond the green.
Steve: And that’s simply, basically, it was published in the Journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries. That’s a pretty good journal, I love that one. And basically it showed that it does help.
Matt: I’m going to try this tomato, too.
Steve: It also that because-
Matt: Or polypodium. My favorite herb for sunburn is polypodium. And the way I remember that it’s a herb, a fern called Calaguala from Guatemala. That’s really good for red skin. And the thing about polypodium that actually worked on the mechanism that burning leads to abnormal cells and malignant cells, so it could actually go through, not only just work on the redness and not just create a barrier, but allows you to have a nice tan and get all the benefits from the sun without actually initiating the oxidative stress and the autoimmune reaction.
Steve: It’s awesome herb isn’t it?
Matt: Yeah, yeah. I love polypodium. It’s really hard to find it in anything. And the problem is, it’s not approved as a sun blocking SPF ingredient, so if you want to look for a sun blocking thing with polypodium in it, it’s probably called a sun, it’s not a sunscreen, I think it’s a suncream. Or something like that, I think they just changed the words. Yeah?
Steve: Yeah, yeah. Crazy.
Matt: What else you got for sunburn?
Steve: Well, that’s the only thing I got for sunburn.
Matt: Oh cool.
Steve: Apart from avoiding the sun, but let’s say you’ve been to the gym all day and you’ve worked out and you’ve got lactic acid in your muscles. Epsom salt bath.
Matt: Oh yeah.
Steve: They work really well.
Matt: So, what’s Epsom salt? That’s magnesium carbonate?
Steve: It can be magnesium chloride or magnesium sulfate.
Matt: Magnesium sulfate, yeah.
Steve: Sulfates the most common one.
Matt: Now, Epsom salts, is it a bath for magnesium or is it a bath for sulfites?
Steve: Yes, great question.
Matt: Well, thank you, Steve.
Steve: It’s a great question.
Matt: You got a great answer for me? Because I still don’t know.
Steve: Yeah, both. Because magnesium works by relaxing muscles and all that. But the sulfite isn’t caught by the [inaudible 00:58:50], it’s absorbed a little bit to help with connective tissue rebuilding.
Matt: Because the magnesium sulfate molecule, it’s not 50/50, is it? It’s only about 25% magnesium?
Steve: No, no there’s one molecule of magnesium to one molecule of SO4 sulfite.
Matt: So it is about 50/50.
Steve: Yeah, the magnesium is two plus and the sulfite is two minus. So there’s one of each.
Matt: Yeah, yeah sweet.
Steve: Yeah. With chloride there’s magnesium and two chlorides, but because the chloride’s in a group seven and the periodic table it’s got one negative. So-
Matt: With the citrate we’re looking in at 20% magnesium, so twenties to five.
Matt: Yeah, wow.
Steve: And it’s very cheap. And you know what? It helps you relax and all that sort of thing, and it’s been used for years as a great way to relieve your aching muscles.
Matt: Yeah. And if you want to make a cream, like a magnesium topical cream, you basically just go buy magnesium chloride, and you can add it to water. And as you dissolve it and break it down, it actually feels oily. So, you can just muck around with your percentages.
Steve: It’s pretty crazy, isn’t it? I mean, really, the whole thing about the magnesium thing, you know works very well with PMS as well.
Matt: Oh yeah?
Steve: But magnesium sulfate is not well-absorbed. In fact, you get magnesium sulfate before you give a colonoscopy.
Matt: Yeah, yeah. It’s really badly absorbed. It gives you the green apple splatters. Why are you telling people to do this?
Steve: No, I’m not telling people to do that. But if you’re going to have a colonoscopy, like you’ve turned 50 say, and they recommend it. But they give you that, so that it gives you the green apple splatters so they clear out so a camera will fit your up rectum.
Matt: The old senior group.
Steve: Yeah, senior group. These guys right up all in their colon.
Steve: But magnesium is also very good for other things, too. But what if you get bad indigestion?
Matt: Oh yes, I’ll be sitting up like a monk. Why, what else should I do?
Steve: Peppermint oil.
Matt: What? Are you serious?
Steve: Peppermint oil is great for it.
Steve: Yeah, absolutely.
Matt: Now I find that funny, because I don’t think it always works. I’m just saying.
Steve: No, it doesn’t always work.
Matt: One thing that peppermint oil, I know it does is it breaks up gas bubbles. Now, Amp-V, we have a product called Amp-V that’s based on oils and that sort of stuff. I burp a lot with that, because of the peppermint. So, I find the peppermint breaks up the big bubbles and breaks them into little bubbles that kind of rumble up. And if you’ve got indigestion there, for some people that might not work. If you do just have acid in your throat get that bicarb you’re talking about before. Sodium bicarbonate, half a teaspoon or a teaspoon, and a little bit of water, put that down, it’s going to instantly buffer that acid. Isn’t it?
Steve: Yeah, absolutely. And then there was a product, probably still out there, called Quick-Eze, which was peppermint oil with sodium bicarbonate.
Matt: Yeah, and it’s based on calcium magnesium. So they got calcium magnesium, its actually got more calcium than a caltrate tablet in a better form because you also got some magnesium co-factors. But that’s interesting, Quick-Eze, calcium magnesium bicarbon peppermint oil.
Matt: Yeah, wow.
Steve: I’ve got another one for you for your sore muscles, and that’s an ice bath.
Matt: Oh yeah? Yeah.
Steve: If you’re brave enough.
Matt: Yeah, bring it on.
Steve: It works. Works really well to relieve injury.
Steve: Because it causes veins to constriction and it stops the inflammatory things attacking your tissues. You’re wounded and you put ice on it.
Matt: Okay, so the other day I had a swollen sore foot. I put ice on it. It went cold, but it went bright red. So, how am I shutting down the circulation and getting it red at the same time?
Steve: Because you’re causing micro damage due to ice burns.
Matt: But it goes away pretty much straight away.
Steve: Oh yeah, the lymph will clear that out pretty quick smart.
Matt: Because when I make ice, so if like I, this is like when I have frozen fruits and stuff. So, if you freeze the fruit the water inside the cells swells, because ice expands when it freezes.
Steve: It does. One of the only thing cold things-
Matt: And that ruptures the membrane, so is it doing it to my blood cells and my-
Steve: [crosstalk 01:02:37] very much.
Matt: And then on the surface of the skin. And that creates that rubefacient?
Steve: Yeah, rubefacient. That’s the word, yeah.
Matt: Yeah, rubefacient. But the temperature’s dropped, there’s vasoconstriction. So then after I take the ice, because you know, with the new studies it’s 10 minutes on or 10 minutes off, so then as I take it off, so I then respond with vasodilation because my body’s freaking out to think my limbs disappeared?
Steve: Up until yesterday I thought that was the case and I read a physiotherapy page that says how it responds to the vasodilation, but then they actually tested it in 1992 and it doesn’t respond with vasodilation.
Matt: What do you mean? So, you put ice on it. It shuts down the blood flow.
Steve: And it returns to normal once it warms up.
Matt: And then as it warms back to normal …
Steve: I thought you react in vasodilation.
Matt: I know it definitely blocked pain receptors, too. So one of the most important things with ice is you can use it to immediately switch off the pain response and that would down regulate the degree of inflammation or the degree of inflammatory response.
Steve: So, the Fastball is an Australian team, they have ice baths after their test match, or their balling fast for six, seven hours. Because they’re working their whole body, and they’re going nuts out there for hours. So it’s great way, it also reduces the injuries.
Matt: How’s this new cryotherapy? You’ve seen all this new cryotherapy. This is not a home remedy, as such, unless you live in Antarctica or something. But the cryotherapy how does that work for detoxes and things? What is it doing?
Steve: Well, cryo means temperature in Chinese medicine.
Matt: These people are getting in the freezing cold chambers, and just their peripheral parts of their body are just getting blasted for a short period of time. Like really, really cold. Is it maybe swelling up fats cells or something? Could it blow up the fat cells water?
Steve: Well, we know that cryotherapy is used as a liposuction treatment, where they freeze the fat cells, the fat cells die, and then they get circulated. It kills about 25% of them every time you have a treatment. So, if you had a blob of fat here and you want to get rid of it, this way you can get it sucked off and it ends up with you, but you can get cryotherapy on it which freezes the fat and about 25% of this fat cells die off. That’s a medical treatment, you can go to [crosstalk 01:04:40]. That’s a treatment for that. But getting into an ice bath or cryotherapy does increase blood pressure, because your body reacts with-
Matt: Constricts the peripheral blood vessels and therefore you’ve reduced your piping by half.
Steve: Your blood pressure goes up.
Matt: And your blood hasn’t reduced. So the amount of blood that’s in your other pipes then is increased. Wow.
Steve: Yeah, so it does cause… In Scandinavian countries I know the health benefits of this improved circulation where they go really cold then really hot, really cold, really hot.
Matt: Yeah, that’s just to get the blood vessels just freaking out.
Steve: Freaking out. That will increase circulation, which circulation helps move toxins like we’re talking about circulation in the time before. So, it works out really well.
Matt: With my injuries should we go hot, cold, hot, cold as well?
Steve: Well, that was actually a treatment, but they say now cold for the first 24-48 hours and then …
Matt: Then [crosstalk 01:05:31]
Steve: You don’t want to encourage the inflammatory response, you only want to recover the healing response, which is 24 to 48 hours later. Interesting, eh? That’s a home remedy there.
Matt: It is.
Steve: What about if you got a hangover, what do you do? As a home remedy?
Matt: Whinge a lot. Go back to bed.
Steve: What about coconut water and bananas?
Matt: Oh, you could probably do that.
Steve: It re-replenishes all that potassium.
Matt: [crosstalk 01:05:58] typically. In my theory it’s soaking up my ball.
Steve: Soaking up your ball.
Matt: So, I’ve made all this extra ball, I’ve got a tummy full of ball. It makes me feel lousy. So I’m going to put some stuff in to soak up that ball, which typically for me would be fat. But you’re saying I should have watermelon and coke.
Steve: Well, bananas and coconut water.
Matt: That sounds like some of the things that I got drunk with the night before.
Steve: Piña Coladas.
Matt: I’m a Colada kind of guy.
Steve: Think of Piña Coladas, it’s like the pineapple coconut, but-
Matt: And Sex on the Beach?
Steve: Yup, and Getting Caught in the Rain? You know, all those sorts of things.
Matt: Sounds like a perfect match, too.
Steve: Yeah, absolutely.
Matt: You should put an ad in the newspaper.
Matt: That’s such a dodgy song, I only just realized what that song was about.
Steve: Oh it’s about, it’s terrible.
Matt: It was terrible, these two husband and wife, that trying to sneak off cheating and probably had been, because she’s been in the paper all ready when he found her. Like oh my gosh, and then they go for this date, and they’re like oh it was you, you, you. We’re so good for each other, we’re both …
Steve: We’re both cheating assholes. Yeah.
Matt: Isn’t that …
Steve: It’s terrible.
Matt: I had no idea that’s what that song was about.
Steve: Oh it is. It’s got the three verses where he goes through puts his ad in the paper, and then he tells him what he says, and if you like Piña Coladas, getting in the rain, blah, blah. And then you thought the pineapple was inside bad. And then he …
Matt: In the real world, it’d be like you fucking liar, you hate that shit. Not once have you taken me for Piña Coladas in the rain, on a beach shagging. And you say you love that shit. Liar.
Steve: Be making love after midnight. Ah geez.
Matt: Who you been doing that with, Steve?
Steve: Well, no one. I go to bed at nine o’clock and I go to sleep at nine o’clock. I don’t do anything after nine o’clock.
Matt: That’s amazing.
Matt: You don’t go for a toilet at nine o’clock.
Steve: I go to toilet about one o’clock.
Matt: With your head to the wall. Cross your legs.
Steve: Monk style. Tie their head to the wall. I love that picture, that was hilarious. What if you’ve got acne? You want a home remedy for acne?
Steve: No, you don’t want that? I’ll get rid of that one.
Matt: Let’s do it. Bring it on.
Steve: All right. Apple cider vinegar.
Steve: Because the low pH destroys the propionibacterium acne.
Matt: I think apple cider vinegar’s one other thing, like it’s a home remedy for anything. I know if you get-
Steve: It pretty much is, there’s lots of things …
Matt: I had gout once, a really bad case of gout. It was almost fixed and then the wife goes, “Man, there’s this apple cider vinegar thing.” Now there’s these things, I study stuff, and I typically research, I look into things. But sometimes it’s easier just to do what the wife says, just to shut her up. I knew it was going to be a bad idea. I was almost on top of this. I’d had a strategy, I’d fixed this thing, this did not make sense to me, but just for the sake of not having to listen to this bullshit about not putting my foot in apple cider vinegar, I just went and did it. Man, it blew up like you would not believe, it was the worse thing I could’ve ever possibly done, and it took about a month to recover after it. So, foot baths apple cider vinegar for gout is no.
Steve: No, definitely. But, I’ll tell you what apple cider-
Matt: But acne, it will sterilize it.
Steve: Sterilizes it, like tea tree oil. Tea tree oil’s been shown to work too, that’s a good home remedy for the acne thing, too. If you want to bathe your feet in something, if they smell, you can use either an acid or an alkaline. So normal vinegar which is acetic acid, or apple cider vinegar, but vinegar is cheaper, drops the pH to about 3, kills microbes. Or you can put it in baking soda, the one we used at the thing, and that raises the pH to about 10, kills microbes.
Matt: Yeah, right. Crystals don’t work. I know that.
Matt: No, crystals don’t work and I’ve got proof of that, by people that use crystals for underarm deodorant. And they stink, man. Seriously, stink. And you’re sitting there going, not so much a home remedy, but just a life hack. If someone suggests you try deodorant, just use it. It’s a polite way of someone saying you stink. Now don’t sit there and go, “Oh no, I use crystals. They really work, you know.” It’s like, “No, they don’t, you stink.” Do something different. Crystals don’t work for deodorant. They don’t they stink, everyone I know that rubs a rock under their arm everyday stinks like they’ve been rubbing rocks under their arm, expecting it to be a deodorant. They don’t work, Steve.
Steve: They don’t. Well, when I used to make deodorant we used to-
Matt: Oh, here we go. You knew all along.
Steve: We used to put aluminum chlorohydrate, 10% in our deodorants. So, say it smells good, we put the smelly stuff in there, but the aluminum chlorohydrate dehydrates the skin so microbes need moisture to grow. Also, aluminum is toxic to microbes.
Matt: And humans and everything else, isn’t it?
Steve: So, one of the worst things you can do is put deodorant on with aluminum chlorohydrate and breathe at the same time.
Matt: That’s a bad idea.
Steve: So, if you’re going to use this stuff on your arms. Hold your breath. That’s a home remedy to stop aluminum, because it’s not absorbed through the skin, but it’s absorbed through the lungs.
Matt: Isn’t your job at one stage smelling the deodorants?
Steve: Yup. Absolutely.
Matt: Quality control guy you had to spray it in and sniff it. Without breathing.
Steve: We used to get the… No. We used to take one out and sniff like that. And also, guess what else we had to do, was even worse, we had to measure how much was coming out of the nozzle. And there had to be a certain amount, one way we could measure that was weighing the can beforehand, oh it’s 200 grams and you hold it in the room like that for about two minutes. Then you weigh it again, see how much came out in two minutes. Two minutes of spraying and you’re just sitting there, “How’s your day?” “Yeah, good, yeah.” “You drink beer last night?” “Yup, sure.” And it’s spraying for two minutes, you’re breathing everything.
Matt: That’s messed up.
Steve: That was a messed up job.
Matt: Hey, in my cleaning, too.
Matt: One of the first things, I used to have the women come in with their breast lumps, and all that lymph nodey stuff under the arms. First thing I ever did, is I’d tell them get off the aluminum deodorants, and stop wearing underwire bras. 80% of the time, wait a minute, I just made that number up. But a lot, it disappeared. And then the next strategy I used to do was Lugol’s solution on the soles of the feet to fix an iodine deficiency. Quickly load up iodine, get rid of the aluminum, and get rid of the underwire bras. Most of the lumps and bumps disappeared.
Steve: Very interesting you say that, because the-
Matt: The rest were cancer.
Steve: Oh, okay.
Matt: No, I don’t know that.
Steve: No, no, you-
Matt: That’s the reality. You still send them off with the scans, and make sure it’s nothing sinister, but try those couple things. If they disappear and they find that it’s not something sinister, then that was lucky.
Steve: Now, of course, you can use betadine, too. That’s potassium iodide, 10%. That what you use to-
Matt: Or you can use Condy’s crystals.
Steve: Condy’s crystals, yeah, very good.
Matt: Make the ducks go purple.
Steve: Another really interesting one that we used to talk about in the olden days again, were treatments that involved like a skin brushing and those sorts of things to increase circulation. It does increase circulation.
Matt: Yeah, of course.
Steve: But it’s sort of like … So I mean, do you think there’s still value in that?
Matt: I reckon.
Steve: All right.
Matt: And the key is that the lymphatics, to support the lymphatics you brush in the direction back to your heart.
Steve: Back to your heart, yeah.
Matt: Because your blood’s going to go that way anyway. You got the heart pushing it that way. Your lymphatics need a little bit of help, so you go back up that way. Something I thought was really cool and I’m starting to see it out now, is fascia scraping. There’s also another thing used by the Spartans and that sort of stuff, where they’d oil up and then use like a knife or a blade and they’d actually scrape, so you’d actually go through, you’d cover yourself in oil to absorb the toxins that you had to dully, and then you’d scrape it off and throw it away. And that was another way that they’d clean when you couldn’t have baths. But the benefits of fascia scraping and moving those lymphatics is phenomenal. There’d be more muscle recovery and lymphatic recovery from that than cleanliness, but man, that was amazing.
Steve: And speaking of getting clean and deodorants and underwire bras-
Matt: Like John the Spartan?
Steve: Yes, John the Spartan. There is a chemical reason why that causes lumps and bumps, is because when you get two different metals together, there’s a thing called electrolysis that occurs, which is the transfer of an electric current. So for example, if you ever look at a battery it’s got two types of metal there. So that caused an electric current, which can cause electromagnetic radiation and cancer.
Matt: And in the fishing boats, when people get their tackle stuck under their ribs there. That sounded weird. I got fishing with John and you got tackle under your ribs, but if you get like a hook or something stuck under the rib of the boat, the electrolysis from driving would actually put holes through your boat. So when they actually get holes in their boat, it’s actually from weird electrolysis stuff.
Steve: And you see on the back of boats they have these sacrificial electrodes. Have you seen those?
Steve: Those are aluminum. The mixing metal then just eats that away.
Matt: That’s cool, right.
Steve: Yeah, it’s pretty interesting. So, that’s electrolysis. So, if you have different metals in your mouth for example, it’s the perfect magnetic, it causes an electric current.
Matt: Whoa, man.
Steve: Well, like in the olden days, when we used to make batteries and this is what you do in science class. You get a lemon, that’s got electrolytes and everything, you stick a copper plate in one side, zinc in the other and you can measure the voltage difference. So, imagine that in your mouth. Underwire bra, underwire, and aluminum. Yeah, it’s a little bit nerdy, I don’t want to go there.
Matt: No, I like it that was [crosstalk 01:14:48]
Steve: I kind of like it. So, that’s good. [crosstalk 01:14:53] What about fungus in your toes?
Matt: Who been talking to you? What do you know about fungus in my toes?
Steve: I can’t tell. Tea tree oil. Good old tea tree oil.
Matt: Really? Does it work?
Steve: Yup, works beautifully.
Matt: How do you get there?
Steve: Tea tree oil, you just rub it in, into the toe nail.
Matt: Into the toe nail?
Steve: Yeah, and you get-
Matt: You rub it on the toe nail. Does it get through the toe nail?
Steve: You get it on your finger and you push it and rub it under the toe nail, draw it back.
Matt: What the hell would I… Your toe nail’s like a bridge?
Steve: Yeah, cause you know it sits there-
Matt: Don’t your toe nails sit to a nail bed?
Steve: No, but then you draw it back like that over the nail bed. I hope people are watching this. But you draw it back out of the nail bed and it gets stuck under the nail.
Matt: There’s the end. These people are like… Yeah, they got there. Stop looking at my feet. No, I don’t have it. That was a joke at the start. It’s normally under the whole nail, it’s …
Steve: This helps, but again …
Matt: You shouldn’t scrape it out and really fill it up, put some holes in it and …
Steve: Yeah, you could, I guess.
Matt: I’m serious.
Steve: That would make me very anxious, and the only way to get rid of anxiety is to have chamomile tea.
Matt: Bullshit, it’s not the only way.
Steve: No, but the chamomile tea has been shown to be great for anxiety, if you’ve got that sort of… You’re getting a bit stressed around the house, you’re going through a rough period at work. A good old remedy is really good for that sort of thing.
Steve: Boring, boring.
Matt: A lot of people have chamomile tea. I can’t stand chamomile tea.
Steve: Have we talked about urinary tract infections?
Matt: Not today.
Steve: Not today. Well, cranberry juice is good for that. Now you and I probably know that quite regularly because-
Matt: Yes, I know. Because of the acidic component in the cranberry is what stops the binding from the bacteria to the bladder wall.
Steve: I think it’s empiric acid, but I can’t-
Matt: Would you say that it’s a urinary alkalizer, Steve?
Steve: Yes. No, I wasn’t going to say alkalizer. Because it’s empiric acid, which causes the-
Matt: That’s what a lot of people think. You got to have cranberry because it’s a urinary alkalizer, but then it’s got the acid. It’s got an acid component. It’s actually an acid in it that does it and gets all the way through the urine and stops bacteria binding. So, it’s really good for stomach ulcers, stops Helicobacter pylori [crosstalk 01:16:58]
Steve: Oh yeah.
Matt: It’s also really good for breaking up biofilms through all your intestinal stuff, and effective against candidiasis and that sort of stuff. So, cranberry is absolutely excellent. But not because it’s an alkalizer.
Steve: Yeah, that’s awesome.
Matt: You can use it with an alkalizer like urol. Have you seen a lot of them combine them, like cranberry urol and [crosstalk 01:17:16]. It’s not that.
Steve: I think the cranberry urol alkalizers have like a carbonate in there like a sodium bicarbonate or something.
Matt: Yeah usually, or citrates and that sort of stuff as well.
Steve: All right. So, let’s say you have high blood pressure. What about parsley leaves? That’s a natural diuretic.
Matt: Oh yeah.
Steve: Because one of the medications for blood pressure, there’s four main classes, but one is a diuretic.
Matt: Yeah, that’s cool. Cool, just be careful if you’re already on blood pressure medication because you’ll be told to avoid potassium. That’s what bugs me, all the natural stuff we do to prevent these things, is they’re full of potassium. All of your veggies are full of potassium, all you need… It’s so high potassium in a good healthy fruit and veg diet. Then they get put on potassium sparing diuretics and told they can’t touch potassium foods. It’s just like man, so freaky. So before you get to that position using things like parsleys, rosemarys, asparguses, cranberries, dandelion leaf. When you look at dandelions, the dandelion leaf, not the root that does the diuretic aspects and the root does the liver.
Steve: That’s cool. It’s a pretty cool one.
Matt: Yup. Corn silk for urinary tract infections is one of my favorite home remedies, because corn silks are the stringy bits in your corn cobs. That stuff is magic, it works really, really fast, too. And you can just chew on it, or you can make it into a cup of tea, or you can throw it in your chicken soup.
Steve: And one of the great herbs, that I remember learning about it, is hawthorn. Crataegus oxyacantha for the heart.
Matt: And there’s parts of Australia where they can just go and harvest them hawthorn berries.
Steve: You could steal it from a crop.
Matt: Yeah, but no there’s… These home remedy things are tricky, I’ve got a fair bit of stuff at home, so we try to grow lots of different stuff so we get a first aid kit at home in case we don’t already have it in the cupboard. But if you come to my house and you open up the cupboard, it’s like going into an Asian and Indian grocery store.
Steve: That’s awesome.
Matt: All the reliables are there and it smells like it, too. All the herbs and the spices and everything we have in bulk and in the raw forms.
Steve: Wow, it’s just, I love nature has all this sort of stuff. It’s absolutely fantastic. Probably where we’re being about an hour twenty, we’ll move to probably the last one, I think we’re getting pretty close. But this one’s plantain. And plantain is a really good one for your skin and a nourishing thing for your skin. If you just want a general one, you’re not sick or anything, you just want your skin to look better, plantain leaves is a terrific one to incorporate in your diet. So, it’s like that good old doctrine of signatures. I’m sorry for the people who aren’t watching here. I’m looking at the leaf and you can imagine a leaf, it looks like skin with veins going through it. The only way you can describe it.
Matt: Like a scrotum or something.
Steve: Looks like exactly what my scrotum, look at that.
Matt: Yeah, it’s the same color.
Steve: Brooklyn, does that look like-
Matt: Same color. Green and …
Steve: Green and weird, yeah.
Matt: Yeah. Weird gray, fluffy stuff sticking out from it.
Steve: That looks like, and those twiggy little skinny things sticking out of it.
Matt: Twigs coming out the top of it.
Steve: Looks exactly like, yeah. Looks identical. So, plantain is great for your skin if you want better health and that sort of thing for your skin.
Matt: All right.
Steve: All right. So, we are-
Matt: That’s a couple of good home remedies we chatted about the science of.
Steve: It’s awesome, isn’t it?
Matt: I think that’s what … Yeah.
Steve: Awesome, awesome.
Matt: Right now, let’s do this. This thing. What do we do now, Steve?
Steve: We got some great questions here. But before we get into the questions, we’ve got a wonderful noway bar review, because now our noway bars are out and that is wonderful. So get into them.
Steve: And have a listen to our podcast on them, because I thought that was one of the better podcasts we did because …
Matt: We planned it. We took some notes, Steve.
Steve: We did actually. Mention this and this. But it really is not just a protein bar, which is what are other… It’s got so many other good benefits, too many to go into here. Here’s a review on it says, “I’ve tried all three flavors and all awesome.” All are awesome, I guess. “The texture is so different,” it is, it’s like a gummy bear, it’s beautiful. “Can I suggest Turkish Delight flavor?”
Matt: Yes, you can, because I’ve been bloody suggesting that the whole time, and it was my idea not yours, Tony. But yes, now that you’ve said it, it will probably bloody happen.
Steve: There you go.
Matt: And we have made some, and they’re bloody beautiful. I can’t say any more, but …
Steve: No. But it says, “What a great healthy treat.” And that’s from Tony.
Matt: Thanks, Tony.
Steve: Thanks, Tony. Wow. All right, so this is a question from Bridgette about her health. A question about her health, Matt. Here we go. A brief history, “Hi, I’ve been listening to your podcast for the past six months. Love them, thank you. And I’ve recently been started GutRight, AMP-V Alpha Venus. I’ve been taking them for about six weeks and feels great. However, my period has stopped after being completely regular with a 30-day cycle for the past 12 months. I haven’t changed anything else. My nutrition and stress levels or physical activity so I can only put it down to the Alpha Venus affecting my hormones. I’m a 35-year-old, healthy weight, approximately 68 kilos, 173 centimeters. Eat mostly health foods, run five to six mornings a week, I manage my stress, while sleeping seven and a half hours most nights,” not upright, I just added that.
Steve: “I tend to carry weight around my bum and thighs, hence I’m taking Alpha Venus to tackle this. I always have had a dodgy stomach with diarrhea and constipation so I’m hoping the GutRight will help sort this out. I had unexplained amenorrhea, which is without periods, between the ages of 24 and 28, after stopping the contraceptive pill, which I’ve been on for six years and as a result I’ve conceived both my daughters, five and two, through IVF. One year ago, my youngest daughter was at eighth months, my period came back and it’s been regular for the past 12 months up until the month when it didn’t arrive. And I’m definitely not pregnant.”
Steve: So there you go. “I would like to keep taking Alpha Venus, as it has stabilized my moods, improved my skin, and I feel great. However, I’m not sure if I should stop given my periods have stopped. I want to tackle the weight that I carry on my bum and thighs, and I thought Alpha Venus would be a good way to do this. I also love the AMP-V, which I take prior to my fasted morning run, as I feel it gives me a good boost of energy. My thyroid tests at normal range, except my ferritin, which is stored iron, which is consistently low about 17, should be about 30. I am not a vegetarian, but I’ve always struggled to maintain ferritin levels. Celiac disease does run in the family, my sister and grandmother have it, and I have both genes.”
Steve: “However, my endoscopic tiers came back negative, I’m still a bit skeptical that I could have it though. Can you suggest how I should proceed? I’m a bit lost as to whether or not I should continue with Alpha Venus and is likely to be affecting my hormones enough to disrupt my period. I would love to hear your thoughts. Any known allergies, codeine, and the medications she’s on now, apart to the Gut Right, AMP-V, Alpha Venus. Thanks so much, Bridgette.” There you go. Interesting one.
Matt: Yeah, it is an interesting one. So, with your periods disappearing, that can happen for a lot of different reasons. So, one of them is, very rarely is it that you got too many hormones in a sense. We know estrogen makes the period and progesterone holds it in. So, Venus will increase progesterone slightly and that will help to hold it in if your periods are coming sooner, but it won’t keep the progesterone high all the time to hold the period in, like if you were taking exogenous progesterone. So, the indications are really that you had a lower level of estrogen and your stuck in that first half of the cycle, not maturing that follicle. Using the Venus there would definitely always help the moods and that because of the dopaminergic effects.
Matt: So, what we might need to do, and this will sound a little bit weird, but you could switch over to Alpha Mars. If we switch over to Alpha Mars, we’re going to increase your hormone load from your ovaries, you’re going to make more estrogen in the follicular phase, which is going to build a period, which is going to allow you to ovulate, and then have a period. And it shouldn’t flare up any of those symptoms because when you use Alpha Mars in a female it will increase estrogen in the first part of the cycle, but it will also support progesterone production in part of the second half of the cycle, and it won’t have that androgenic effect that it has in males, that will increase or aggravate that sort of acne.
Matt: So, I would stick with the GutRight, I would add in MultiFood, because we want to make sure we’ve got the nutritional co-factors to detoxify the estrogen and make sure we’ve got methylation working and whatever that might have been linked in with the IVF issues and fertility issues in the past. So, I would do Mars, MultiFood, and Gut Right, and just drop the Venus off.
Steve: Wow, awesome.
Matt: What do you reckon?
Steve: Well, I just want to ask you about GutRight. I mean, terrific, it does detoxify a lot of estrogen.
Matt: Yeah, but it doesn’t stop estrogen production. See this is the weird thing, when we look at it, the way Gut’Right’s working is the ovaries in the first half of the cycle, the testosterone in the ovaries convert it to estrogen as part of the follicular phase to mature the follicle that will initiate ovulation. And then in the second half of the cycle, then those hormones are then taken away after they’re done their job throughout the body, they’re then eliminated in through the bowel.
Matt: The GutRight then makes sure they’re efficiently eliminated in the bowel. So, GutRight wouldn’t interfere with the ovulation process and GutRight wouldn’t interfere with the production of the hormonal load. It’s mainly going to regulate the ratios between the 16 alpha and the hydra and the two alpha and the two methoxyestrones. So, it’s not interfering at all with the menstrual cycle, it’s just efficiently clearing things away.
Matt: Funny thing is, is another dead give away that there’s a problem with the follicular phase is where the estrogen body shape. Because those fat cells, because if the ovaries are androgen dominant were insufficient with the estrogen a signal goes from the pituitary gland to the body saying make more estrogen somewhere. And so fat cells in the periphery are capable of doing that. Problem is, is they don’t give it up. They hold that estrogen and use it to make a fat pocket. So, and then keep it there for reserves, if you’re pregnant and starving then they’ll give it up. But the rest of the time they’re going to hold on to it for you.
Matt: You could use [inaudible 01:27:26] locally to fix the fat pockets, but just keep it locally, keep it away from your abdomen and that. Keep it right on the bum. That’s why I didn’t mention it really. I wouldn’t even do it, Steve. Initially, you fix up the Mars, and we get that sort of stuff happening and change that profile. So, I’d do Mars, two capsules in the morning, two capsules at night. Then I’d do that for one to three months until the cycle comes back. As soon as the cycles back, drop it off and stick with the MultiFood and GutRight, and that should maintain it.
Steve: I totally agree. The Mars is interesting, because where there may be some confusion out there, so we’ll address this. Is it a test booster or a female hormone booster? The million dollar question, and it’s actually both. You want to explain how it’s both.
Matt: Right. It depends if you’ve got innies or outies. And say if you’re a bloke, we have testicles, the jobs of the testicles is to make sperm and it also makes testosterone. So, when you’ve got follicle stimulating hormone in a man and luteinizing hormone in a man, we’re typically getting testosterone from it. So, with a female using the Alpha Mars, it sends a signal through indiscriminately releasing follicle stimulating hormone in the follicular phase, that’s when the body uses follicle stimulating hormone to mature an egg, because you’ve got an innie and you’re a girl and you make eggs, not sperm from your nuts. So, that egg will build up and along with that egg comes estrogen.
Matt: After that egg is released, the little sac that’s left over, it’s called the corpus luteum, and that thing makes progesterone. And that’s how the vitex helps support the corpus luteum for progesterone production. So, with the Mars you’ll see it works on multiple cycles. If you’re in that menopausal age then Mars is even better again because the way it does it all is via your pituitary gland. Mars doesn’t really care where the hormones are coming from. It tells your pituitary gland that you need more hormones. It sends a message out to your body, so if you’re in that menopausal phase, either male or female, and your nuts and your ovaries have given up, then your adrenal gland is capable of making these hormones, the same sort of hormonal profile, just the original source is coming from the adrenals not the nuts.
Steve: Absolutely, so Mars is a great one for boosting hormonal load. We’ve said it before, but it’s not male, female. I take Mars every day-
Matt: It just works very differently. And the same with most, there’s a lot of women out there that have a coach or something like that that says they take Tribulus, it builds up their testosterone and they give it to them and it does the opposite. Because they’re women. Women have innies that make estrogen, not outies that make testosterone. And we shouldn’t probably be talking men and women, we should talk innies, outies. Because regardless of what you choose to identify as, the way your structural glands are and what they’re doing, without your permission or whatever, that’s what you’ve got to interact with.
Steve: Oh my god, look at that. That’s perfect. Well, I love that. I love that explanation because that’s, I think that confuses a lot of people out there.
Matt: It is confusing. And that’s why natural medicines is confusing because natural medicine’s really cool. It has individual effects, it has specific effects on different people, different functions, different times. Has a whole body effect, doesn’t have one target drug effect. And that’s why I love natural medicine.
Steve: Yeah, you give sustanon to a male or female just boost testosterone, end of story, it is testosterone. This is why natural medicine I love so much, too. That’s terrific. I think she’s on the right track. She’s exercising, she’s eating well, has healthy weight, sleeps well. This is good. I think she’ll do well.
Matt: Yeah, I think so.
Matt: Finely tuned athlete before you know it.
Steve: Absolutely. Probably he is now. Well, that’s all we got time for. So thanks everybody for listening.
Matt: Yeah, thanks, Steve.
Steve: Yeah, it’s my pleasure to be here. I love this podcast. This is good stuff.
Matt: Oh, you big dork. [inaudible 01:30:58]. All right.
Steve: All right. Have a great day, guys. Bye.
Matt: All right.
Elizma: Thanks for listening and remember, question everything. Well, except what we say.