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Episode 17 – Infertility

Jeff: Welcome to the ATP Project, Episode 16, infertility. In today’s podcast, Matt and I talk fertility in both men and women. Why does infertility happen? What supplements can you take to improve your chances of conception? Post-cycle help for those who have used steroids, endometriosis, PCOS, folic acid, lead and infections, and the role they play in pregnancy, and a whole lot more. Stay tuned. The ATP Project is about to start.

Welcome to the ATP Project here with your hosts Matt and Jeff. Matt, we’re talking about infertility today. What is it?

Matt: It’s not genetic.

Jeff: That’s a good point.

Matt: It’s pretty hard to have a family history of infertility, but people often mention that in a case study.

Jeff: Really?

Matt: Yeah. If you’ve got a family history of infertility, you wouldn’t be here, would you?

Jeff: No. That’s right.

Matt: There is a very common problem with people having trouble conceiving for various reasons.

Jeff: Obviously there’s going to be some difference between men and women, as we know, as men and women have different bits. Let’s start with men.

Matt: That’s easier. We’ll definitely start with men. In regard to men and infertility, the male job is to provide the sperm. The sperm has to be the right shape, which is what they call morphology on the blood test, and it has to be able to swim, which is what they call motility. When people get a sperm check, they will measure the morphology and motility.

I just reminded myself of a story. I don’t know if I ever told you about when I went and gave a sperm sample in. What I did in preparation – because I knew the clinic. I knew the people in the clinic. The day before I had to give out a sperm sample, I went into a chemist and bought the sample container.

Jeff: Which is generic.

Matt: Which is normal, the same container. Then before I went to the doctor surgery, I collected my sample at home, and then took it in. What I did is I went to reception, and told them that I need a sample container to take a sample because I’m here to deliver a sperm sample today.

They gave me the container, and I walked straight out to the front of the reception with my back to window. This is Broadbeach, Gold Coast, so it’s a very big window facing out the beach, and all the tourists, and everything. I stood there at the front window with my back to the reception for about a minute before walking back in, and handing over my sperm sample.

Jeff: That would have been a gas.

Matt: Yeah, just to see the reaction on their face. The funny thing about these pranks I do all the time is I always forget to go back and tell them it was a trick, like the cat scratching pole. We’ll talk about that another time.

Jeff: Private joke.

Matt: What are we talking about? Blokes and sperm.

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: With men, we have to make sure we’ve got good quality, a good number of sperm, that they’re shaped the right way, and that they’re capable of swimming. When you find problems with that, what we look at is how to rebuild sperm integrity. For men, all we have to do is make sure the sperm is capable of swimming, and looks right, and that’s it.

For blokes, we usually use high doses of things like zinc, and vitamin C are very common deficiencies in men that can cause problems with sperm. Otherwise, we look at stress. That can inhibit reproduction. We talked in the HPA axis how if you drive that stress axis, the other reproductive parts of your body give up because they think you’re under chronic stress. They don’t bother making sperm. They don’t want you to reproduce if it’s all in trouble.

Jeff: Tyrannosaurus doesn’t bother to stop to try to create children.

Matt: That’s right. You lose motivation and drive anyway. The other common cause for our customers and clientele is that after they’ve done a cycle, after they’ve done some testosterone replacement therapy, often what will happen in that situation is a message will go back to their testicles saying, “You are not needed for making testosterone,” and the consequence of that is they are not needed also for making sperm. Then that’s all shut down, and we need to get the testicles to start working again.

Jeff: A lot of doctors prescribe hCG to actually kick start things again for people who have used steroids or hormone replacement.

Matt: That’s the female pregnancy hormone. You can add the female pregnancy hormone into a male, and it will encourage the production of testosterone from the testicles. It was a very common practice in the earlier days as a sneaky way of getting your testosterone up when they weren’t measuring female pregnancy hormone in men. A lot of blokes used to use hCG to spike their testosterone and not get caught.

Jeff: Obviously it works, Matt. Are there any negative side effects to that? It sounds like it’s almost like jumpstarting your car, but you need to get the hypothalamus and pituitary firing properly so that continues. Is that HCG designed to give you an initial jump, and then you should be doing all the other things like zinc?

Matt: Yeah. It’s usually just a temporary thing you do to get everything happening. Then once it’s happening, you go off it. Sometimes it doesn’t work. Sometimes things don’t happen.

We’ve had really good testimonials coming back for our Alpha Mars as an alternative to hCG, or as a post-cycle therapy, a good way of getting the testosterone levels up. Normally when people come up here, their testosterone levels are between 10 and 30. They’re often sitting around levels one, two, or three. Not even close. In our experience with the Alpha Mars, you can jump that straight up to the middle of the range, or the top of the range within a week or so.

Jeff: We’ve spoken about that before, about some of the people who have been using the Alpha Mars at fertility clinics and all the rest of it. We’re up to nearly 20 now at the moment, people who have come up to us and said, “Use the Alpha Mars. My wife is pregnant. My partner is pregnant, and it’s a boy.”

Matt: Yeah. All boys, except one.

Jeff: Except one. It’s amazing.

Matt: It’s interesting too. The other thing is shilagit in the Alpha Mars, that stuff is amazing. It’s an old Ayurvedic tonic that was used to encourage fertility, but it helped people make boys.

Jeff: It’s weird. This is the interesting thing about folklore. I know you’ve said it before – or herbal lore – is that this is thousands of years of trial and error, and it points toward a certain conclusion. I’m not saying everything in traditional herbal lore is correct, but this one seems to be true.

Matt: It seems to be doing all right. The studies on shilagit show that within a week, you’ll get about a 30 percent increase in the number of sperm you make. They’re about 60 percent faster at swimming.

Jeff: that’s the motility they’re talking about.

Matt: They’re like salmon.

Jeff: Motility. That’s right.

Matt: Motility.

Jeff: If they’re swimming faster – I can’t remember if this is true. You might be able to remember if it is or it isn’t. The boy sperm are faster, but they die off quicker.

Matt: Yeah. They’re sprinters.

Jeff: So maybe – I don’t know. I’m just theorizing here – with the rate of boys we’re having, it makes them super-fast.

Matt: Yeah. Super-fast. The theory is the sperm that makes male babies only lives for a few days, up to three days, and swims really fast.

Jeff: The closer to ovulation, the more chance.

Matt: If the egg is already there, the boy sperm will usually get there first. It’s not always the first sperm that gets there that goes in, of course. What you’ll find happening is the sperm for male babies swims faster but doesn’t live as long. The sperm that makes female babies swims slower but lives for six or seven days. That’s where they’re talking about when you have sex in relation to where the egg is to be able to decide if you want male or female.

Jeff: I know Toni had a great deal of problems. Toni’s [inaudible] [00:08:33], and terrible pregnancies, hard time getting pregnant, or keeping them too. She was using a thing called Maybe Baby, which was fantastic because what she would do is she would spit onto this thing. It would be like a little microscope. She would look at her spit through the viewfinder on this thing, and it would actually create ferns if she was ovulating. That helped us be able to get our timing right. If anyone is out there looking to improve their chances of getting pregnant, that was a really useful tool we used.

Matt: That is funny. For me, if we can make sure you’ve got fish and they’re swimming, and they’ve got one head and one tail, which is when they talk about morphology – is it the right shape? Is it going to work as a sperm? – Those are the sort of things men have to look at, get tested, and that kind of thing.

It’s a good idea for men to measure testosterone levels. Also get your serum zinc levels and everything measured at the same time. You can go from there. Basically, the male protocol is typically try to eat clean for a period of time. Don’t have too much rubbish, toxic stuff in your system. Try to avoid stress. Be healthy and happy. Load up on Alpha Mars and a bucket load of zinc, and clean eating. You don’t have to do much more for the blokes, typically, unless there is a congenital genetic problem where testosterone receptors don’t work, or something.

Jeff: That’s good. That’s easy. We’ve taken care of the guys. With regard to the females then, that’s a little more complicated.

Matt: Oh, yeah.

Jeff: Let’s get into it, Matt. What are some of the issues?

Matt: Let’s start – we’ll continue on. The blokes have made the sperm. They’ve turned up, they’ve performed, and they’ve delivered the sperm.

Jeff: That’s the last thing the males are going to do. The rest of it is going to be the female, up until the kid is 18 years of age.

Matt: Yeah. My wife would agree.

Jeff: My wife would too.

Matt: Imagine this – actually, don’t imagine the first part, but the sperm is now inside the birth canal. Migrating salmon roaming around. You’re a woman, Jeff. You’re full of sperm. I’m the walls of your reproductive tract. There are immune cells. They are there to prevent infection. That sperm is not yours. I don’t know whose it is, but it’s not yours.

What you’ll find happening is these immune cells know it’s not yours. Their job is things called dendritic cells. What they are is they’ve got these really long arms, and they live in the mucus membrane, and they reach out, and grab foreign bodies as they’re trying to swim past. Understand that once that sperm is inside that birth canal, and trying to find that egg, you’ve got immune cells in there going bang, bang. If your sperm is slow, a certain amount of that sperm will get destroyed by the immune system.

Jeff: It’s like a she-bear up on the river with the migrating salmon catching them and eating them.

Matt: Yes, all inside your uterus, Jeff. What happens in that situation is if the immune system is overactive, that’s when I talked about autoimmunity. If the immune system at that mucosal membrane is overactive, or has had opportunities to reject that sperm previously, which has made it better at it, then what happens is you actually reduce your fertility.

This is a very important thing also with IVF, implantation phases, and that, because once that embryo has been fertilized by a sperm, and starting to divide as part of that implantation phase where it’s been about to grow, that’s certainly half the woman and half the man too.

At that stage, if the immune system is not suppressed, then it is not possible to hold that fertilized embryo inside your body without rejecting it. The more times you have rejected it, the better you get at rejecting it because it’s an immune reaction where your body goes, “What did I do last time I had this parasite inside me? I survived when I got that trigger.”

What’s supposed to happen when the egg is fertilized, the hormonal cascade that happens from there with high progesterone, and high cortisol suppresses the immune system, so the anti-infectious immune system goes down, and the allergic immune defense goes up, which is why it’s common during pregnancy for women to get rashes, and sneezing, and snot, and allergic reactions they’ve never had before. It’s also really common for autoimmune conditions to go into remission during pregnancy.

What happens is the immune system needs to be suppressed, so often you’ll get women who come through the clinic, and they’ve been everywhere, and they’ve done everything. The doctors have said, “Structurally, you’re fine. You’ve got eggs popping out. There’s no cystic ovaries. There’s no endometriosis. There’s nothing weird. Even if there is, you’re still popping out eggs. The tubes are working. The womb is there. There’s no reason why you can’t do it. The sperm is there.”

This is majority of people who have fertility problems have canceled out most of the causes for it. There’s no apparent reason. They’re told things like, “Relax. You’re too stressed. Stop trying so hard, and it’ll just happen,” and those annoying things that irritate people.

What you’ll find in those sorts of people, they’ll often tell you, “I never get sick. No, I don’t have any allergies.” Their immune system is dominant towards an autoimmune where they are polarized. Their immune defense and their immune surveillance is high.

They’ll often have a history of either miscarriages, or abortions, or things where their immune system had to clean up a mess within that reproductive tract, like urinary tract infections or thrush, or currently experiencing things such as dysbiosis, which is like an overgrowth of the wrong type of bacteria in the gut. These things, or a chronic sinus infection, or something on a mucus membrane that is an organisms that has over colonized, and caused the immune system to be overactive at the site of the mucus membrane.

When I get women coming in and saying those sorts of things, what I do is I do some things to stop their immune system from being so over reactive at the mucus membrane site. To suppress the immune system at the mucosal, if there is an immune challenge, you’ve got to get rid of that. If there’s thrush, urinary tract infections, gut problems, kill all that stuff off first so your immune system doesn’t have to be overactive.

Then what we do is load up on vitamin D, vitamin E, and omega-3 oils to suppress the immune system at the mucosa. I also use a strain of bacteria called lactobacillus plantarum.

Jeff: You’ve talked about that before.

Matt: It coats mucus membranes and tells the immune system to back off. In those sorts of situations, if there’s nothing else going wrong, and you don’t get colds and flus, and you don’t get allergies, and your immune system is over reactive, or like I said, you’ve had miscarriages, and those sorts of things in the past, look at suppressing the immune system to protect the sperm, and the fertilized embryo.

Jeff: Cool. Matt, you were talking about bladder infections and things like that. Toni had that during the pregnancy. She took cranberry. What are you thinking?

Matt: Cranberry is weird.

Jeff: Is it?

Matt: The funny thing is people think cranberry alkalizes the urine and stops infections, which it doesn’t. It’s actually got an acidic component that does the work. It’s got a lectin in it that binds to bacteria, and stops bacteria from adhering to the mucus membranes. That’ll fix everything from stomach ulcers and bowel problems through to urinary tract infection by blocking the binding of probiotics or bad bacteria.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: I know probiotics also prevent urinary tract infections, so there are companies out there combining cranberry and probiotics. The problem with that is cranberries stop bacteria from working.

Jeff: It’s just going to kill it in the bottle.

Matt: Yeah. It’ll make it go straight through.

Jeff: If you have got a urinary tract infection?

Matt: That’s one of the most common causes of miscarriage and infertility. In fact, diarrhea and urinary tract infections are the most common cause of miscarriage because it’s an overactive immune response in the local area. All your mucous membranes are linked, so your immune activation on one mucous membrane sends a message through the reproductive tract saying, “Flus that as well.”

Jeff: Wow. So with regard to bladder infections, which I know is common, and Toni had trouble with that but dealt with it using cranberry, what about the diarrhea, if someone’s got chronic diarrhea?

Matt: Yeah. That’s why I like using things like that lactobacillus plantarum because you can use that for diarrhea, or constipation. You can use it for urinary tract infections. It tells the immune system to calm down. It’s pretty cool.

An interesting thing as well though, another cause of infertility and urinary tract infections, is excessive acidity. Sperm is alkaline, and the reproductive tract in a female is acidic, so if it’s too acidic, it will also kill the sperm.

Once the blokes have delivered the sperm, it’s got to survive through the acid and the immune cells before it can find the egg. Then once it’s found the egg, it’s got to fertilize the egg. That egg has to implant into the membrane, and we’ve still got to have enough of a hormonal cascade for the immune system to then be told, “Leave that fertilized egg alone. I know it’s only half yours, but leave it go.” As far as your immune system goes, it might as well be a parasite.

Jeff: Wow. Okay. What else then, Matt, can women do to create a better environment in their body to fall pregnant and stay pregnant?

Matt: Another interesting cause – when I was saying before, if all the structural things are cool, then it can look for the immune stuff and definitely suppress the immune system when you’re trying to fall pregnant. I call it my crack whore hypothesis. Have you noticed that the sick, crook, dodgy people fall pregnant all the time?

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: Like heroin addicts, and crack whores, and all these people, no worries. They’ll even give birth to something that’s all messed up, and their immune system won’t reject it. These people with no immune system can fall pregnant all the time. That’s why people will try, try, try, do these detoxes, get healthier, and healthier. They can’t fall pregnant, and they go, “Forget it. I’m going on a bender.” They get on the grog, the coke, the smokes, and everything. All of a sudden, they’re pregnant.

Jeff: Not that we ever get any of that, but yeah.

Matt: It’s called the crack whore hypothesis, and it’s quite insulting to a lot of people who are working really hard at trying to get themselves perfect and healthy. They’re the people who are great because everything is perfect. All we have to do is tell the immune system to let these foreign bodies in for a little bit.

Jeff: In terms of women’s health, and staying pregnant, and having healthy babies as well, can we talk a little bit about folic acid and folate?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: This is a big one. I think most women have been told, “If you want a healthy baby, get on some –” Is it folate or folic acid? I always get those two mixed up.

Matt: Same sort of thing.

Jeff: I think Toni was looking into it. One is manmade, and one is natural. You’re better off with the folate as opposed to the folic acid?

Matt: Nothing is as simple as that. There are multiple forms of folate and folic acid in nature, so you want a big variety of all different forms of folate. What you’ll find happening is – you might have seen the ads on TV with the people who sell the folic acid.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: They’ll say, “Ninety percent of the time, it works every time to prevent birth defects, and spina bifida, and that sort of stuff.” There is a compound in your body that causes the birth defects. It’s called homocysteine, and it’s measurable. I think it’s about a $20.00 blood test when you go do your normal blood test. The doctor can measure your homocysteine levels and tell you what your risk of having a child born with spina bifida and birth defects are. Your doctor can tell by homocysteine if it’s likely to happen, and also – this really bugs me.

Jeff: This is fascinating.

Matt: See, what happens, is homocysteine can cause about 30 percent of all age-related disorders: heart disease, dementia, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, cancer, and all that kind of stuff. Folic acid strips out homocysteine.

Jeff: That’s a good thing.

Matt: Yeah. That’s why they tell you to take folic acid during pregnancy so you don’t build up homocysteine, and homocysteine doesn’t cause spina bifida in your baby. The whole plan is take folic acid. It will clear away the homocysteine, and you don’t have birth defects. Easy.

It bugs me that they never measure it because they don’t know how high your risk is or what dose of folic acid you personally need.

When I was saying before that 90 percent of the time, it works every time; they find one in 10 women have a genetic polymorphism which makes it hard to convert folic acid into methylated folate. There’s a gene that our body uses to convert synthetic and natural forms of folate that we eat in foods into methylenetetrahydrofolate, which is a form of folic acid that our body uses to detoxify homocysteine. That’s why it works in 90 percent of the cases instead of 100 percent.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: If they measured homocysteine prior to pregnancy, gave you folic acid to see how your homo cysteine responded to that folic acid, they would be able to pick out the one in 10 people that end up not responding to the folic acid and having birth defects. Guess what.

Those one in 10 people have pretty much guaranteed to get one of those age-related disorders associated with homocysteine later in life. Not only do they get birth defects and have problems with pregnancy, but they’re at high risk of having a horrible second half of their life.

What bugs the hell out of me is if they added the homocysteine test to normal pregnancy testing screening, not only would we pick up people who are high risk of age-related disorders and advise them that there’s possibly a genetic condition that’s caused their whole family history of heart disease, cancers, and brain problems – not only that, but they might improve their fertility, and stop their likelihood of having a child with a birth defect.

The alternative is allow us in Australia to use methylenetetrahydrofolate in supplements, which we’re not allowed to.

Jeff: Why?

Matt: Because TGA is waiting for one of us to pay them a heap of money to add methylenetetrahydrofolate to the acceptable list of ingredients for TGA, so that way, everyone can use it. If I wanted to give them my $150,000.00 and spend the next 10 years proving that product – the rest of the world uses it, by the way.

It’s actually safer. It’s cheaper. It’s just the same. No problems. It’s just a Mexican standoff while everyone’s waiting for someone to pay TGA to put it onto the list so we can make it available. In the meantime, the companies that are making preconception formulas that they’re advertising that 90 percent of the time it works instead of 100 percent of the time, and there is none of that screening going on, which bugs the hell out of me.

The reference range for homocysteine is once it goes over 15, you’re likely to get heart disease, kidney disease, birth defects. If it’s under 10, you’re fine. If you measured your homocysteine, and your homocysteine levels are 20, and you’re about to fall pregnant, and you’ve taken folic acid, you go, “Maybe we’ll just hang off.” Seriously, you could probably take it from 20 down to about 10 in about six weeks with folic acid if you respond to it. You might as well wait, take your folic acid, measure it again, and see that your homocysteine levels are safe before you proceed to fall pregnant.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: They don’t bother doing that screening. Like I said, it’s a cheap and easy test. It would also prevent a lot of age-related disorders.

Jeff: That’s fascinating.

Matt: It bugs me.

Jeff: I can tell.

Matt: It’s so easy to fix.

Jeff: You should see the angry look on his face. What about other things, Matt? What about herbs? What about EPO?

Matt: I’ll tell you something else while I’m ranting about this methylated folate. That methylated folate is also responsible for detoxifying estrogen. If someone has got a genetic polymorphism where they can’t activate their folic acid, then they can’t detoxify estrogen properly. It also methylates testosterone. If you’ve got genetic polymorphisms in that detoxification pathway, you could end up with something like endometriosis, which contributes to infertility, or polycystic ovarian syndrome, or what they call PCOS, which contributes to infertility.

Jeff: Wow.

Matt: Endometriosis would have to be the most frustrating diagnosis for a woman that’s trying to fall pregnant.

Jeff: That’s because of the advice?

Matt: The doctor will say, “I’m diagnosing you with endometriosis.” The problem with endometriosis is it can make you infertile. The treatment for endometriosis is falling pregnant.

Jeff: That’s brilliant.

Matt: “Go and fall pregnant so you don’t become infertile, but we don’t know how far through you are yet.” What it is with endometriosis is women struggle to detoxify the estrogen, so the estrogen doesn’t’ get conjugated, and deactivated, and eliminated from the body.

Instead, it gets recycled, and it’s still biologically active as it gets absorbed out of the bowels into the abdominal area, or it still loiters around the reproductive tissue. While it’s there biologically active, it’s making period. It’s making endometrial tissue in parts outside of your womb.

Jeff: It’s crazy.

Matt: The problem is it’s a lot of scar tissue involved with it. The bigger problem is to clean up that scar tissue is your immune system. On a monthly cycle, every time you’re building up this excessive scar tissue and then trying to shed this excessive scar tissue, the immune system is primed up to do that, which means your immune system is overactive in the reproductive area, so then sperm comes, and it just smashes that as well.

Jeff: It’s horrible. Endometriosis is a big issue in society. Matt, is there anything that can be done for endometriosis?

Matt: With endometriosis, I look for those genetic polymorphisms. The gene is called the MTHFR gene. I’m not allowed to swear anymore, so we just call it the MTHFR gene. You can measure the MTHFR gene. I also use homocysteine as a marker to know when we’re having a win. You get your homocysteine levels measured, and if they’re high, we just strip it out really quickly.

Endometriosis, the way I treat it is with the Alpha Venus, which is like the broccoli sprout compounds, so the sulforaphanes and that sort of stuff in there. Mix that with folate B6, B12, and then find out if they’re the ones that need the special folate. In my clinic, I just use the special folate. You can bring it in from America.

Jeff: But you can’t use it.

Matt: I can.

Jeff: Practitioners?

Matt: I think other people can. It’s not on a banned list. That’s what’s stupid about the way the regulation in Australia works. We’ve got a banned list, and we’ve got an accepted list, and everything else in between in a gray area. You can have a crack and do whatever you like. That’s where you get all your bath salts, and legal highs, and all that sort of stuff in there as well.

Jeff: That’s terrible.

Matt: Yeah. It’s disgusting. With endometriosis, correct the estrogen defect. Again, if you’ve got endometriosis, it’s a matter of getting rid of that scar tissue – well, making sure that scar tissue is gone – to allow the tubes to work. I do testing, and that kind of stuff for that to see if the tubes are open enough to work. Then the key is to get in and suppress that immune system around the time of implantation to help fertilization.

When I suppress the immune system, we’re not suppressing it so you get colds and flus. We’re just stopping it from being over reactive. It just chills out a bit. Fifteen-hundred international units of vitamin E is one of the most important things for that.

Jeff: Is that right?

Matt: Yeah. It’s good at suppressing the immune system on the mucosa.

Jeff: With other supplements you recommend, EPO, I know that’s quite popular. What about that?

Matt: Evening primrose oil, that’s what you’re referring to?

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: Evening primrose oil, in the last trimester, I tell people to use high doses of evening primrose oil because it makes the prostaglandins that allow the cervix to become softer.

Jeff: Yeah, to stretch.

Matt: Yeah. Stretch out that cervix.

Jeff: Is it raspberry as well?

Matt: Raspberry leaf does a similar thing. It helps prepare for labor. Again, you use that in the last trimester. I don’t do too much supplementation during pregnancy.

Jeff: No, but it’d be safe.

Matt: Yeah. Just keep it simple.

Jeff: Anything else for women? We’ve covered a few places to go. We touched on that.

Matt: We talked about PCOS, and insulin resistance, and that in previous podcasts. The big thing to be aware of is what a polycystic ovary is, is while the eggs are supposed to be maturing, there’s a hormonal problem there that stops the eggs from developing properly. Then right on ovulation, what’s supposed to happen is the egg is supposed to work its way to the edge, and then pop off. With polycystic ovaries, it gets to the edge and doesn’t pop off. That’s what makes a cyst, the egg on the edge of the ovary.

What you’ll find happening is the polycystic ovary, sometimes they don’t ovulate. You’ll find that sometimes they’ll say, “It’s just my left,” or “it’s just my right.” Sometimes one side is ovulating, and the other side is not. Sometimes they don’t ovulate at all for multiple cycles. That’s a tricky one. They’re the ones that sometimes do a lot of the work measuring body temperatures and things to see if there’s indications that they’ve ovulated. Usually you get a spike in body temperature when you ovulate. They measure their body temperature in one cycle, and in three or four all of a sudden they’ve ovulated, and it’s game on.

Jeff: Right. How do you overcome PCOS?

Matt: Insulin. You take an insulin sensitivity.

Jeff: That’s right. You spoke quite a lot about that.

Matt: PCOS is an insulin issue.

Jeff: Great. Matt, I think we’ve covered off on everything. Is there anything else you want to talk about specifically with regard to women?

Matt: Not really. There’s a lot of literature out there that talks about detoxification, and all that sort of stuff. What I usually tell people to do is focus on clean eating and that for a period of time. Prepare the temple. It’s really important to make sure that genetically you haven’t activated dodgy genes through exposure to toxins because then you’re just going to pass on those genes as active. You’re better off getting your system as clean as possible, just boring, and make sure no weed exposure and that sort of stuff before you start this campaign.

The big thing is to look at – the medical world, and people with specializing things all the time, there’s a saying. Actually, I stole it. What he’s saying about specialists is specialists know more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about nothing.

Jeff: That’s great.

Matt: The problem is the human body, you can’t separate these systems. You can’t have a fertility person that won’t understand the fact that the stress nervous system, the gut, and immune system, and everything is all linked in together.

Jeff: That’s what you specialize in, that which is for health, which is why you have such good knowledge about how to sort these problems out because you’re not looking at just one isolated area. You’re looking at things as a whole.

Matt: That’s right.

Jeff: Brilliant. Matt, we do have an FAQ.

Matt: Oh, good.

Jeff: It relates to Alpha Venus. It’s funny because this also has been a problem for Toni and some of the other women I’ve spoken to as well with Alpha Venus.

Alisha. Hi, guys. I’ve been using Alpha Venus for a few months now and have been experiencing severe skin breakouts. Is this a symptom of the detox effects, or should I stop using the product? I’ve been taking one to two per day. Thanks, Alisha.

In reference to that, Toni as well actually went off them for a little while, had a break, went back on again, and found she was getting large pimples.

Matt: Yeah. Cystic-style acne.

Jeff: They’re never going to go into a pimple. They’re never going to get a head. They don’t even go red. They’re still skin color, but they’re big and bumpy, and they hurt.

Matt: With the way the Alpha Venus works, and blokes can get a similar thing from the Alpha Mars because it’s not actually to do with detoxification at all. With Alpha Venus, we talk about detox, and stuff like that.

Jeff: Normally, that’s feeling a bit sick.

Matt: Yeah. You can get skin stuff and everything from it as well. What this is, is an actual acne thing. What we do with both Alpha Mars and Alpha Venus is we’re boosting testosterone. We’re also blocking the conversion of testosterone through to estrogen and dihydro using herbs.

If you are zinc deficient or selenium deficient, so you have a deficiency of zinc, or selenium, or both, there’s a little enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase, whose job it is converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. We’re trying to block that with our herbs, but if you’ve got a zinc and selenium deficiency, it can’t be blocked. It’ll just run rampant, and the testosterone all converts through to dihydrotestosterone. That’ll only happen in certain sweat glands, hair follicles, and maybe ovaries.

Jeff: Yep.

Matt: In that case, it only happens if you’ve got a zinc-selenium deficiency. We can’t block that enzyme effectively, so as the testosterone levels are building up, we’re stopping it converting to estrogen very well, but we struggle to stop it converting to dihydro if you’ve got a zinc and selenium deficiency.

Jeff: So pop some – T432 has got good quality zinc.

Matt: That’s right. What’s interesting to note is that there’s a reason why there is no zinc in Alpha Mars and Alpha Venus. Again, it goes back to the TGA requirements of us only allowed to use a certain form of zinc at a certain dose per day, which won’t make it work. You’re better off just going and getting a straight zinc supplement.

Jeff: Okay.

Matt: What I do, is I tell people to buy a high dose of zinc, like a chelated zinc, or a zinc citrate, or something. Take about 20 milligrams of elemental zinc a day.

Jeff: Any particular time of day?

Matt: It doesn’t matter. It depends what it is. Zinc citrate, zinc chelate, they get absorbed pretty well. Zinc sulfate is rubbish. It’s the one they use for taste testing. It binds to everything, and you’ve got to have it on an empty stomach.

Jeff: I was always told to take my zinc away from calcium because it combined. Is that just poor quality zinc?

Matt: Yeah. Zinc chelate is usually okay, but zinc sulfate. Zinc citrate, zinc phosphate, zinc oxide, they’ll bind to minerals, calcium, magnesium, iron.

Jeff: Wow. I thought they were wasting time.

Matt: Zinc and magnesium bind together.

Jeff: Is that right?

Matt: Yeah. Aspartate is a bit better because that’s a chelated version of magnesium, so you’ll get a little bit more. It would be better off if the zinc was also chelated, and not an oxide. Basically, if the thing just falls apart in the gut, they’ll stick together.

Zinc is what we call a chelator. That means it binds to things that are positively charged and strips them out of the body, which is really cool if it’s mercury, and lead, and that sort of stuff, but not necessarily if it’s iron, calcium, magnesium.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: That’s why it’s important to look at interactions. You look at the form of these things, and then the timing of it. Also, nature is smarter than us anyway. You can get a similar dose of zinc and selenium out of three to four Brazil nuts, as what you can get in a supplement in Australia.

Jeff: There you go.

Matt: You’ll multiple forms of these minerals in those sorts of things.

Jeff: Supplements are great if you’re on the go, if you’re not dedicated with your food, or if you find it hard to find those sorts of things. I hate Brazil nuts.

Anyway, there you go, Alisha. Try adding some zinc and selenium into your supplement protocol, or just grab some Brazil nuts.

Matt: I was going to say something else. We mentioned – I can’t remember when we mentioned it, but there’s a bacteria that causes acne and cystic things that you might want to kill off as well.

Jeff: What’s that?

Matt: There are a couple of different ones, but they typically live up your nose and up your bottom. That’s why when you do the acne treatments and you get skin breakouts, if you do any microbial stuff to sterilize the skin, make sure you do a little bit up into your nostrils, and your bottom.

Jeff: A little bit of tea tree just in the inside rim of your nose. Actually, you wash everywhere very well, including your butt.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Thanks. Alisha, let us know how you go with that. Hopefully that helps to subside those problems you’re having with your skin. Matt, if she does that, she’ll be fine to stay on the Alpha Venus.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Great. Something a bit controversial, Matt. You might have seen it doing the rounds on the internet. Fantastic source of truth. Dihydrogen monoxide. Very scary stuff. I don’t know if you’ve seen this, and maybe some of our listeners have seen it

Matt: Say it again.

Jeff: Dihydrogen monoxide.

Matt: What are you going to say about it?

Jeff: Matt, this is scary.

Matt: Is this a question from someone, or is this your question?

Jeff: No. I just want you to comment on it.

Matt: What is it called again?

Jeff: It’s called dihydrogen monoxide. Scary stuff, Matt. It’s prevalent.

Matt: I know.

Jeff: Many people are dying every year from it, even inhaling a small amount. Apparently, people are baking with it, and it’s in food.

Matt: They’re swimming in it.

Jeff: What’s happening is it’s also found in biopsies of tumors with cancers. They’re actually finding this stuff present. Here’s the thing that really wigged me out.

Matt: What?

Jeff: They’re actually doing some studies on –

Matt: Are you going to put this to air?

Jeff: Absolutely. This is going to air because I’ve got a point.

Matt: I hope so.

Jeff: There’s a point.

Matt: I hope you’re not asking me.

Jeff: No. There’s a point. You can pull the curtain back in a minute. But they’re finding that in serial killers, mass murderers, and all the rest of it, that when –

Matt: It makes up 60 percent of their body?

Jeff: No. They actually found it present in their body, but they also found that they had consumed this substance within three days before the actual event.

Matt: Three days?

Jeff: Yeah. Three days before, and it was still present in their autopsy.

Matt: I’ll bet it was. That probably explains it because they should have been drinking at least a couple of liters of it every day.

Jeff: You can drink this stuff?

Matt: Absolutely. You’d better, or you’ll die.

Jeff: Funny, isn’t it?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: What are we talking about?

Matt: H20.

Jeff: Water. My point is, Matt, that on the internet – and it’s really great because there’s been some people when they’re asking questions loaded in this particular light, 90 percent of people say, “We’ve got to ban this stuff immediately. People are dying. It’s in tumors. People are inhaling this stuff and passing away. It kills thousands of people every year.”

Matt: Statistically significant.

Jeff: This is what we always try to get across with regard to the ATP Project. Information in isolation or with a particular viewpoint is bent toward an outcome, which is effectively jockeying you, or forcing you to make a decision that’s not really accurate because it’s not blind truth. It’s just someone trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Most supplements, and a lot of people who have an ax to grind or an agenda, will do exactly that. They will tell you all the information they want you to hear to create a reaction.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Anyway, Matt, I just like the fact that we really are trying to get the truth and the information cut there in a way that people can make up their own mind, and empowering people to research. As we say, even with the information we put out there, question everything. You never know when you’re being led up the garden path.

Matt: That’s right.

Jeff: All right, Matt. That’s all right. I just wanted to throw that in.

Matt: I thought you were serious, and you were wondering about it.

Jeff: No, no. I’d actually heard it many years ago, but it’s funny. I’ve seen it doing the rounds again. People are like, “Oh, my gosh. We’ve got to stop this. Get rid of water. It’s killing people.”

Matt: And potatoes? Most people die within six months of eating a potato.

Jeff: Yes. Don’t eat potatoes, and you’ll live forever. Ridiculous facts that people string together to say that if people eat potatoes, within six months, they die.

Matt: Statistically, you can prove whatever you like. That’s the scary thing about white paper trials. You can design a medical journal study to say whatever you like.

Jeff: Yep. Very interesting. Matt, thanks. Today, I hope people who are interested in fertility or trying to get pregnant, trying to have healthy babies, find this of interest today. If you’ve got any questions, please send through your FAQs through to us. Alisha, we’ll be sending you out some product. We’ll probably send you out some T432 seeing as you’re taking the Alpha Venus. That might be a good product to stack.

Matt, last word?

Matt: I’ve got nothing.

Jeff: Wow. What a surprise. Thanks. We’ll be back next week. See you then.

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Duration: 43 minutes

Episode 17 – Infertility





  1. Jasmin

    Just wondering if you could offer any further advice on what you have discussed re the immune issues affecting implantation , bare with me ill explain a bit of my back story.
    In Nov 13 I had a miscarriage at 7 weeks after 12 months of trying and then in Sep 14 I had a medical termination at 20 weeks after we discovered at our 20 week scan that our daughter had spina bifida ( have since found out I have MTHFR so am taking Folinic Acid rather than Folica Acid). It has been almost 2 years since and we have not even had a hint of another pregnancy. We have tried naturally, with Clomid, with IVF/ICSI – which resulted in a fail and since moved on to IVF/ICSI with PGD testing to rule out chromosomally abnormal embryos. From this we got one embryo that was normal and had it transferred Mid July in a medicated frozen transfer cycle which has also failed ( side note to this I had very loose stools from about 3 days past transfer that lasted for 3-4 days hence my enquiry)
    I have seen my FS since the PGD embryo failed and asked him what his thoughts were on doing any internal testing such as a Lap and Hysteroscopy to check things out inside and he told me he sees no point and that he just thinks we have to try again.
    I just can’t help but think that maybe since my medical termination something has changed. Do you have any suggestions on how I can broach this with my doc and if he isn’t interested ( I am starting to think he doesn’t like to do things that are bit outside the box ) who else I could speak to about having this looked into ? a Naturopath ? My GP ? How do you test or check for this ?
    I’m just at a loss as to what to do I don’t want to keep throwing 10’s of thousand of dollars at IVF without at least looking into the possible causes a bit more even if it is just to rule it out as a cause. Thank you

    • Elsa Ferligoj

      Hi Jasmin,

      We are going to shoot you an email to discuss this further with you 🙂


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