How to Enhance Performance Transcript
ATP Science Episode 67 – How to Enhance Performance
Welcome to the ATP Project, Episode 67 – How to Enhance Performance.
In today’s podcast Matt and I discuss:
• Beneficial Nutrients to enhance Performance
• Di and Trimethylglycine
• Power of Electrolytes
• Citrulline and more.
• Intermittent Fasting
• Fat Loss
• Constant feeling of being Cold
• One woman’s terrible battle with Cortisol and the horrible Side Effects from it.
Stay tuned, the ATP Project is about to start.
Welcome to the ATP Project, you’re with your hosts Matt and Jeff.
Jeff: Today we’re talking about Performance.
Matt: Oh, good.
Jeff: We’re all inspired by the Olympics and everything that’s going on there.
Jeff: Well, actually, not according to some of our swimmers.
Jeff: I’m just kidding.
Matt: They’re doing alright.
Jeff: They’re getting a hammering in the press at the moment because they haven’t performed as well as their personal bests.
Jeff: It’s actually quite funny, because all athletes have off times and off moments, and you can never pick when you’re going to be performing at your absolute pinnacle, and I guess it’s a bit hard to say, “Well, just because it’s an Olympic Games you have to swim your personal best.” Obviously the atmosphere and the focus—but, you hope that you do, but you can never guarantee that you can.
Matt: Yeah. Well, so much of sport is psychological too, so you can go through and have exactly the same body you made and prepped but have the wrong mental attitude and you’re no good. But, also too, people make changes to their Protocols. I remember one of my most frustrating things dealing with athletes was that they get bored with training and routine so they want something to motivate them or inspire them to train during the week, so they’re using stimulant style products and everything to get to training and get them through the laps, but then when it comes to game day they’re Anxious, they’re Nervous, they don’t need the simulants, and then they change their Protocol. So, just as it’s important to train for your sport, but it’s also important to train for your Protocols, so your supplementation regime; you should be training the way you play, and in that sense you should also be supplementing correctly just the same for training as you do on game day, that way you’ve eliminated a variable and that has a big psychological impact as well as with the physiology.
Jeff: Well, in terms of dealing with the athletes, in Australia at the moment, anyway, and again, this sort of backs onto what we’re going to be talking about for individual nonprofessional sports people as well too. There’s a huge amount of conjecture and a difference of opinion. Some people are going, “Oh my gosh, these guys are useless, they’ve let us down,” other people are going, “Don’t be so hard on them, they’re still people, at the end of the day.” But, the funny thing is, I guess both are kind of true. They’re professional athletes and we expect them to, obviously, perform well, but at the same time they are human and they are going to have times when they don’t perform at their best for whatever reason.
But, Matt, mental is big, training is big, all of those things are taken care of, but as far as Supplementation is concerned and Performance, and you mentioned about staying true to your Protocols and what you’re using and all the rest of it.
Jeff: But, specifically in relation to improving Performance, what Supplements would you consider to be the pinnacle, in terms of the things that you can take that are going to make the most dramatic improvement, everything else being equal, if that makes sense?
Matt: It’s good what you said, because what we’re looking at is, a lot of people focus on too finer detail, they’re looking for the things that are going to give them the slightest edge over their competitors and in the process they often forget about the big stuff. So, unless you’ve got the big stuff right, which is Hydration, Fuel, so sugar, salt, water, unless you’ve got those basic right you don’t have the infrastructure, or whatever it is that you need, to be able to push your body to its best let alone push it to the next level. So, they’re the things that people really need to start looking at. And, the other thing to be aware of, for both physical and mental performance is making sure your Gut is functioning well, and I’m not talking about Gut Health like SIBO and whatever, Candida and things like that.
Matt: No, I’m actually talking about feeling like you’re going to poop yourself in the middle of a race, Bloating, Distention, Nausea, the ability to actually absorb the Nutrients that you’re using into your body. Because, a lot of people out there will think, “Oh, I’m going to throw in all these important things, but if I add this to the Protocol, if I add this to the Protocol,” and they keep adding stuff, then what it can do, and yes those things may be beneficial in the body, but you’ve got to look at the interactions with their absorption, and then making sure you’re not overwhelming the Gut and slowing down the Gastric Emptying causing Gut Distress. Because, ultimately, if you’re loading up the Gut with Nutrients that you can’t absorb then what happens is the body has to send water from your body into your Guts to dilute those Nutrients, so they basically control the concentration gradient, and the end result of that is Nausea, Vomiting, Diarrhoea, which is not what you want during a competition. Which, is another good reason why people need to train as if they’re going to play. If you’re going to do your run through game plans and train in preparation for an event, you need to be also practising with your Supplementation regime.
And, for our particular company at the moment, in Australia we’re getting a lot of people coming in to the season for the body building comps, they’re all coming up, and there’s a lot of people saying, “I’ve got X amount of weeks to go, what new tricks can I try?” And, it’s just like, “Wow. Really? You want to try that now?”
Jeff: And, everybody is so different. One thing we know is what works for one person—your body chemistry, everything that’s happening can be completely different.
Matt: Yeah, exactly. So, to answer your question, which I didn’t do, which is, “What should we do? What are the important things?” In my opinion, Performance Fuel; making sure your Fuel is adequate, and when I’m talking about Fuel being adequate we’re mainly talking about what your strategy is with Carbs and Fats as your source of Fuel. Protein doesn’t really fit into there, because as a source of Fuel your Protein will be converted through to either used as Ketones or converted through to Carbohydrates and used a source of sugar.
Jeff: Converted through to MGF, like NeoGenesis, yeah.
Matt: Yeah. So, for starters, that’s not efficient, and it’s an extra thing you’ve got to throw into your Stomach to be absorbed and utilised. So, if you’re looking at straight out Performance, when we’re looking at Performance Fuels, we need Carbohydrates. So, a lot of the people would do—you know, there’s that trend now where we go High Fat, Low Carb for endurance?
Matt: Even in that situation that whole strategy is to enhance Mitochondrial Biogenesis, make more Mitochondria per Cell, and that’s because providing that Fat as a primary source of Fuel is harder and less efficient. So, your body has to totally change its structure to be able to utilise that as a preferred source of Fuel to be able to maintain your exercise. The trick though is to build all those new energy warehouses and then quickly throw the sugar back in and then they burn like you wouldn’t believe.
Jeff: It’s like, “Oh my God, I’m Performing at a higher level.”
Matt: Exactly. So, that’s why training at altitude is just to come back. You see the baseball guys they swing that heavy bat around, the weights on the bats, and then they take that off and then the bat goes flying.
Jeff: Yeah, too easy.
Matt: So, that’s the same sort of concept. So, again, the Performance Fuel we’re referring to is Carbohydrates. In regards to Protein; Protein itself isn’t going to do much for Performance. Branch Chain Amino Acids aren’t going to do anything for Performance. So, for example, people talk about Branch Chain Amino Acids, well why we use them during training is to have a Muscle sparing effect.
Jeff: Because of the Leucine, specifically.
Matt: No, well that’s more for the Protein synthesis, but as a Muscle sparing effect during training they’re actually just converting through to sugar and burning it as sugar. It’s got nothing to do with Protein synthesis while we’re actually training and racing and running.
Jeff: Oh right.
Matt: It’s only post workout and other Leucine loading strategies that will help Protein synthesis when we’re in the stage of stimulating growth and Hypertrophy. During the actual exercise you’re pretty much trying to just burn things as Fuel, you’re not building anything, you’re burning down everything.
Jeff: Right, of course.
Matt: Having a branch change during—that’s why Branch Chains post workout make sense; Branch Chains pre workout and during workout are only good if you’re trying to preserve Muscle while you’re in a Calorie Deficit from not adequate Carbohydrate.
Jeff: But, if you get your Carbohydrates right then…
Matt: You don’t need it.
Jeff: Yeah, that’s right.
Matt: And, then what happens in that situation, you’re throwing Branch Chains in with your Carbohydrates and everything, your Branch Chain is just going to float around not sure what to do, you know, contribute to a pool. And, then when the Carbohydrate runs out it will say, “Okay, well we’ll start using this as a source of fuel, but that’s after you’ve depleted Liver Glycogens and things like that.
Jeff: So, Leucine, which converts to HMV, Matt, that does have a Muscle sparing?
Matt: Yeah, it has a Muscle sparing effect. Yeah, nothing for Performance.
Jeff: But, if it’s not used as energy first? If there is a demand for energy the body will Oxidise it and use it for energy and you won’t get the benefits, correct?
Jeff: Okay, that’s cool. Right, let’s talk about some other Performance Fuels; Water?
Matt: No, hang on, I’m still talking about Aminos.
Jeff: Oh, sorry.
Matt: So, Carbs are essential. So, with the Aminos, you don’t need Branch Chains. There are some Amino Acids that do directly aid performance; those Amino Acids are Citrulline, and you can use Citrulline by itself or in Citrulline Malate form, and I just prefer the Malate form because there is an equal amount of research on the Malate component for Performance enhancing by being a Fuel for the Krebs Cycle, as there is for Citrulline being Performance enhancing, so Citrulline Malate is a really a good form of it. Beta Alanine; the way Beta Alanine works for Performance is it actually works through increasing Muscle Carnosine. Now, I know we’ve got Beta Alanine in our INFRARED, which is cool, because it then helps to increase Muscle Carnosine, but the proper way to use Beta Alanine, or the ideal way to use it for Performance is through a loading phase, so leading up to your events and that sort of stuff, you want to start loading up on Beta Alanine on a daily basis.
So, it’s fine to use INFRARED or Beta Alanine in a pre-workout, intra workout, because it does help to replenish Muscle Carnosine, and it does have some other effects on stimulating the nervous system as a simulant. But, ultimately, to get the maximum effect out of Beta Alanine you want to be taking a nice dose, 2 or 3 grams of Beta Alanine every day, depending on how much work you’re doing, but anywhere from 2 to 5 grams of Beta Alanine on a daily basis to load up your Muscle Carnosine. You do that for a month before the Rio Olympics and you’ve loaded up as much Muscle Carnosine and you’re probably going to hold.
And, what Muscle Carnosine does, and this is Carnosine not Carnitine, Muscle Carnosine is an Acidity buffer that’s found inside your Muscles, and so what that means is, as your Muscles are building up Acidic waste, which would normally cause you to Fatigue, these things are buffering as it’s made so it improves Endurance.
Jeff: Well, it’s interesting because talking about football and running and baseball, anything that requires Endurance based aspects to the sport it can definitely improve, because, as you said, it delays that onset of that Fatigue, utilises the Lactic Acid into the Krebs Cycle, so it takes that Acid and instead of it sitting and making your Muscles stiff and hard it actually uses that for Energy, which is awesome, and anyone is going to say that’s good.
There was a study on Beta Alanine, and I’ve just been doing some research into individual Amino Acids as we’re obviously changing some of our formulations and looking for slight improvements on some of the materials that we’re using. One study, they did it with guys on bench press, and they found—it was small but it was a controlled study—were able to increase reps by about 50% before they hit that total Fatigue. So, if guys were doing 8 reps on a certain weight then they were able to do 12 after it, and obviously that’s with proper saturation of the Beta Alanine to create the Carnosine.
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Jeff: So, for anyone building Muscle Beta Alanine has to be a must.
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: Anyone who does Endurance based sports it’s also got to be a must.
Matt: Yeah. While we’re talking about Beta Alanine, we may well talk about the two things that people always talk about with Beta Alanine: the first one is the Tingles, or Prickles or Itches or whatever. What is it? Why does it happen? The second one is that debate regarding Taurine, and I just want to clarify the Beta Alanine Taurine interaction because I get asked the question all the time, people are still confused. It’s not confusing, you’ve just got to Google the right thing.
Jeff: Well, let’s talk about the Tingles first. The Tingles and the Taurine, it sounds like a book.
Matt: The Tingles and the Taurine. So, firstly with the Tingles—there’s a new paper out—well, not a new paper, it’s about three or four years old now—but, prior to this paper all the research talking about Beta Alanine was its interaction with Histamine Receptors, and they always debated about how it did that, because Antihistamines wouldn’t stop the Tingle.
Matt: So, they’re thinking, “Gees, maybe it’s got nothing to do with Histamine.” Eventually, what they’ve done is they’ve found there’s another group of Receptors that are found in Muscles, and it’s also found in Nerve Endings and in the Skin, and they think it might also be in Bone, which is weird. But, what it does is it’s the Nerve responsible for creating and itching sensation that’s not related to Histamine, not related to Hives and Weals and all those sort of Allergic Rashes and that. But, you know when you train really hard or you’re doing Cardio and you get that Prickly Itchy sensation from exercise?
Matt: This Nerve is actually more associated with Trauma, with other damage and not associated with Histamine reactions, but Pressure, Temperature and all those sorts of changes that can contribute to Itchiness. Interestingly they still haven’t worked out how to block it, but it’s funny, because we’ve been mucking around with different sources of Beta Alanine. And, most products you try, just as a taste test, that’s all we’re doing, just go and taste and then going by technical data and other forms of studies to work out how effective these things are. With Beta Alanine it’s one of those cool things because we can drink it and the degree of Tingles will determine how powerful or how pure the product is. And, what we found is a pattern there with CORT RX and when we’re using CORT RX you’re not as sensitive to the Tingles, that’s right eh?
Jeff: Yeah. Well, the story basically goes, we’re looking for Beta Alanine being a new Amino, so we’ve gone out to a whole heap of places, we want to try and get as close to Nature as possible but still be effective. So, we’ve got the office loaded up, and all the office girls and Matt and myself and a few of the other people and a few of the athletes that came in, Chris Thomas came in as well too, and it’s like, “Here, try this, try this, tell me what your feeling is,” and I noticed that everybody else was getting amazing Tingles but I wasn’t. So, what was with that, Matt? We were working with CORT RX.
Matt: Well, basically, what we’ve found is, we don’t really know, okay, and no one does so it’s not our fault; we’re trying to find the research. But, no one really has a good tool that effectively blocks this particular Receptor to stop the Tingling, yet the same product used exactly the same way, from day to day, can vary with the degree of Tingling and Itching we get from it. Now, what I did find when I researched through the particular Receptor, which is called the MRGPRD Receptor…
Jeff: That’s easy for you to say.
Matt: Well, MRGPRD is even easier.
Matt: So, the MRGPRD Receptor in people with Inflammation from any source, and in particular certain Cytokine Inflammation associated with Lipopolysaccharide, which is Inflammatory Triggers out of your Gut. So, Gut Inflammation made this Receptor hyper sensitive. So, people that had Inflammatory processes running through their body were more sensitive to that Prickle associated with this Receptor than those without the Inflammation.
Jeff: Yeah, right.
Matt: They found a couple of Cytokines which are chemical messages from the Immune System that control Inflammation, to be high and low in people that are more or less sensitive. And, what the pattern is, is that if you can control your innate Gut Wall, so if you have a tough Gut Wall, stop a lot of the innate Inflammation regardless whether it’s Allergy or Infection, whatever, if we can downgrade the amount of Inflammation coming from the Gut and downgrade our exposure to a thing called Lipopolysaccharide, which is a Bacterial Cell Wall Fragment that comes out of your Gut, you can be less sensitive to the Beta Alanine Tingles. So, for the people that don’t get the Beta Alanine Tingles they might have a nice strong Gut Wall, they might be taking a lot of other anti-Inflammatory compounds, they might be taking a lot of other stuff to reduce their Gut Wall permeability. So, yeah, that’s the pattern that links in. So, it’s not an Allergy response, it’s not Histamine related, it’s definitely linked in with Inflammation and Inflammatory Mediators.
Jeff: Well, exactly the same material I tried the next day, because I wasn’t convinced and everyone was like, “Right, we’re going to buy this one,” and I was like, “No, I don’t think it’s any good.” The next day I didn’t take CORT RX in the morning, and it was definitely more pronounced, so I don’t know if, with that short of a timeframe without taking the CORT RX which is obviously a high anti-Inflammatory product.
Matt: Yeah, that’s right.
Jeff: So Taurine, Matt, what’s the deal with that then?
Matt: So, Beta Alanine, in the scientific community, it’s also known as a Taurine Transport Inhibitor. Beta Alanine blocks the movement of Taurine into Cells. So, the reason I’m bringing this up is because, again, when you’re preparing for a competition, we know Taurine is also good for your sports Performance by having an anti-Cramping effect and stopping a lot of spasming and all that sort of stuff. I just wanted to let people know that if you’re taking Beta Alanine and Taurine at the same time the Beta Alanine is, actually, going to block the absorption of the Taurine out of the Gut, it’s also going to block the transport of Taurine in your body in and out of Cells; high doses of Beta Alanine directly inhibit Taurine movement. There’s no problem combining the two if you don’t mind just wasting space in your scoop and having Taurine floating around with nothing to do, so it’s important to split them. You’re better off to have Beta Alanine and wait a little while and then have the Taurine.
Jeff: It’s interesting, Matt, because Taurine is, obviously, incredibly abundant in the Heart, very important for that, and that’s why I think they add it into a lot of things like Red Bull and what have you to stop the Heart Palpitations. You taught me that, right?
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Jeff: But, a lot of our iron brothers and sisters who are using Beta Alanine—if they are using Clenbuterol, and in some parts of the world it’s legal and in some parts not, because Clenbuterol…
Matt: A Heart Attack.
Jeff: Well, it puts a major Stress on the body, and I’m not sure but I know that it interacts with Taurine somehow. So, typically, the old adage was, if you’re using Clenbuterol, which is a stripping agent—it’s a Bronchial Dilator isn’t it, Matt, a B3 Antagonist?
Jeff: Make sure that you’re topping up your levels of Taurine. And, if you’re using Beta Alanine and you’re taking Taurine at the same time you could find yourself in a lot of trouble.
Matt: Yeah. And, if you take Beta Alanine for a long period of time and you don’t supplement the Taurine then Beta Alanine will cause a Taurine Deficiency over time. So, it’s very important that if you’re going on a campaign for that month leading up to your event to be loading up on up to 5 grams of Beta Alanine a day, and at a different time of day you need to be supplementing with Taurine.
Jeff: Would you suggest a particular time apart, Matt?
Matt: You can even do Beta Alanine per workout and you can do Taurine post workout, that’s how quickly you can have them. Or, you can be having your Beta Alanine in the morning and your Taurine at night, but, like I said, as close together as pre workout, post workout.
Jeff: And, by that statement as well, Matt, does Beta Alanine have a sport specific result, in other words you take it and you get a benefit immediately?
Matt: Only by its interaction with those Receptors on the Nerve that does stimulate the Nerve to a certain degree, because it’s activating the Sympathetic Nervous System, which is part of the flight or fight response indicating to the body that something’s not quite right and it actually triggers you to become more alert, but it’s very mild.
Jeff: So, the systemic use, over time, that’s going to provide…
Matt: It’s the Muscle Carnitine that is the true benefit, the production in the Muscle Carnitine. So, what Muscle Carnosine is, it’s a 50/50 mix of Beta Alanine and Histidine. The problem is, there is so much Histidine everywhere that you don’t need it, it can grab the Histidine out of the Muscle Tissue itself and combine that with the Beta Alanine and make Carnosine. So, again, a lot of the work we do when we’re working for performance it’s trying to maximise the power of the scoop, meaning that there’s only so much stuff we can throw in the Gut before a workout, we don’t want to put anything in that’s just in case.
Now, with that Beta Alanine, Taurine thing, if you weren’t trying to perform, if you weren’t trying to compete, if you weren’t concerned about your Gut not feeling 100% awesome—you can combine Beta Alanine and Taurine, and once the Beta Alanine’s done its job the Taurine eventually will find a way around it, but it’s just not efficient and you’re wasting space in your pre workout protocol.
Jeff: And, money.
Jeff: Because, the absorption certainly would be down.
Matt: Oh yeah, it doesn’t get absorbed, you just hope that it still maybe gets absorbed at a later time from a different part of the Digestive Tract.
Jeff: Okay. Matt, what else then? We’ve talked about Citrulline, we’ve talked about Beta Alanine, and I think both of those are fantastic.
Matt: Trimethylglycine and Dimethylglycine are getting a lot of good research, so Trimethylglycine, that’s Betaine, but not Betaine Hydrochloride. So, if you see a supplement that says Betaine Hydrochloride that is Stomach Acid, that’s what they give you in a Hydrochloric Acid tablet, it’s Betaine Hydrochloride, that makes Stomach Hydrochloric Acid for the purpose of breaking down Proteins and Meats and that sort of stuff.
Jeff: Surely that couldn’t be in supplements, could it Matt?
Matt: It couldn’t be in a powder, it would be weird to be added to a powder, it’s got to be starting to break things down. I think, a lot of the time, when you see Betaine Hydrochloride on a label they actually mean Betaine, I don’t think they mean Betaine Hydrochloride, surely not. But, anyway, you need a big dose of Betaine as Trimethylglycine to work, from 1 to 3 grams’ dosage.
Jeff: it’s to do with Oxygen, isn’t it Matt?
Matt: Yeah, well basically what happens, when you put in Trimethylglycine, one Methyl group will go away for Methylation Processes which are controlling Brain Neurotransmitters and Liver Pathways and Hormones and Homocysteine and that sort of stuff. But, then you’re left with Dimethylglycine, and Dimethylglycine really helps with the Oxygenation process of our tissue. Studies on Dimethylglycine showed that 10 days of supplementing with Dimethylglycine was equivalent to about three months training at altitudes.
Jeff: And, hence why we put it into the INFARED?
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Jeff: By the way, it’s pretty cool, Matt, INFRARED is getting a bit of a facelift towards the end of the year.
Matt: Yeah, I know. Well, it’s going to be good fun. At the moment with INFRARED, when we talk about Performance Fuels, the Carbohydrates we use in there is Maltodextrin and Dextrose purely because they’re so predictable. When there’s a lot of science going on with different forms of Sugars and there’s a lot of conflicting data where people are sharing information to sell—it’s just so—the Sugar research is bizarre. You get all these people that get a good product that’s working well for them and their research is sound and legit, then you get these other people with a totally different product quoting from exactly the same research, and so, “How can you guys be so opposite and be doing exactly the same thing and sharing the same research? It doesn’t make sense.” So, trying to navigate through the rubbish in the tech data is half the battle, and then going back to going, “Right, let’s go back and look at the origins, why are they looking at these things anyway?” Oh, because they found these foods worked really bloody well.
So, we’re doing a fair bit of research into the combination of Sugars and that sort of stuff, and again, a lot of it goes down to that we want the stuff out of your Gut so you’re not feeling Nauseous and Bloated and Sick.
Jeff: That’s right.
Matt: So, a lot of our work with the Sugars is talking about Gastric Emptying and that sort of stuff. And, an interesting pattern I’ve found in the research is, multiple different forms of Sugars seems like a good idea. Each different form of Sugar uses a different series of Enzymes and different forms of Transport Pumps to get it into the body. Any one Sugar, when used by itself in a large dose, starts competing with itself, it just overloads this one Pathway and then backlogs. So, it looks like, at this point in time, we’ll be looking for a different variety of different forms of Natural Sugars that work well together and don’t compete.
Jeff: Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s funny, Matt, because I know there are a few different Carbohydrates out there that people swear by and I know the one that you’re talking about, but Maltodextrin, we put that into the INFRARED because it’s simple, it’s well studied, we understand that it’s well tolerated, very fast Gastric Emptying Time…
Matt: And, also, there’s Maltodextrin and there’s Maltodextrin, so a lot of people will look at research, and every supplier of Maltodextrin will supply a different product specification, so the density, the tapeding density, the Molecular Weight, the Hygroscopicity, all of those little features associated with that particular batch of Maltodextrin from that particular manufacturer will have a particular way of acting in your body. And, Maltodextrin made from the same starting material but in a different factory comes out with a totally different profile can work totally differently in your body, so it’s really quite hard to just read research on some of these things, you need to actually research that particular product.
So, one thing we do at ATP when we go through the medical journals and all that stuff to find a product that works, the first thing we do is we, actually, contact the people that conducted the study and say, “What material was used in this study?” and usually, it’s actually listed in the study, they’ve got to tell you what material was used and where they sourced it and all that, so I usually get on the phone and try to find that exact material so that we can recreate—because, that’s one thing I learnt in my Naturopath Clinic; just because a medical journal says an ingredient does something, it doesn’t mean that ingredient does it every time, you’ve got to go through and pin it back to that exact same stuff. The only way you can recreate what’s in a medical journal is by doing exactly what we in the medical journal, which included purchasing that material and doing it yourself, buying it raw, measuring it out properly, and you’ll be amazed to see how differently things work when you actually do it that way compared to just scrolling through the internet or trying to find a product with that word written on it, and being not sure which one it is.
Jeff: That makes sense.
Matt: I mean, all disappointment comes from unrealistic expectations, or not meeting your unrealistic expectations. But, I don’t think it’s unrealistic for us to expect to be able to reproduce what was done in a medical journal, but the only way to do that is to, actually, reproduce what was done in the medical journal, making sure that you are using the right material. A lot of people get disheartened with stuff because they go through and read all these awesome studies, like you’re saying, a 50% increase in Rep Range using this Amino Acid and then they go and buy that stuff and it doesn’t do that for them, but they haven’t done it exactly the same way, they haven’t necessarily used the same stuff at the right dose an done it in a scientific methodology to actually achieve that. So, we try to make it easier for everyone by, basically, making sure that if we’re quoting from research then we’re trying to source that exact material, and that’s what we’re going to use in our product.
Jeff: Well that’s interesting, Matt, and we should just touch on Creatine, and I know we’ve talked about it before, and most people understand Creatine, and if you don’t get on Creatine; if you’re looking to build Muscle Tissue—I mean, Creatine is so well studied.
Jeff: We’re looking at utilising the pure form of Creatine, just simply because the studies on it, from everything that we can find, is that it is brilliant, 99% pure, virtually no impurities. Now, it’s expensive stuff compared to other Creatines, and a lot of Chinese Creatines and all the rest of it, not that they are bad, I’m not saying they are bad and this stuff is the only one that you want to use, but if you’re looking for the Pinnacle, in terms of purity and in terms of…
Jeff: Absolutely, low Creatinine, which is the by product which causes stomach upsets. A lot of people complain, “I can’t use Creatinine it gives me Stomach Upsets and all the rest of it,” try Creapure. Here’s what’s interesting, if I was less ethical, Matt, and we’re currently talking with Creapure about purchasing their stuff, it’s probably 40% more expensive than the other Creatines we were looking at…
Matt: Oh, twice as expensive than a few, two or three times, yeah.
Jeff: Well, actually, twice on one of them; yeah, it is actually. You could buy one part that and nine parts something else, then go, “Yeah, okay.” And then Creapure will go, “Oh well, you can use our label on all of it,” and that’s the problem, that’s why so many people try and do what’s in these studies, they think that they are, they’re looking at the labels but unfortunately—I mean it would be an easy bait and switch, Mate, so easy.
Matt: Remember, we had similar conversations with Ajinomoto and we were talking about trademarks and they’re saying, “No, you can’t tell anyone you use Ajinomoto stuff,” and I went, “Hang on, that’s crazy. Wouldn’t you want us to be branding for you and telling the world that you guys have got the best?” and they said, “No,” because in their experience what happens is people purchase it, and then use one part Ajinomoto Aminos and nine parts something else, and then use the Ajinomoto logo to sell their Amino Acids, and then people get disappointed because it doesn’t meet their expectations and then blame the brand.
The problem is, this is happening so consistently across so many different brands that now it’s actually starting to tarnish the industry.
Jeff: Well, this is exactly the point, Matt. And again, we’ll relate back to those Four Corners programs that were shown in the US and here in Australia as well, they found, was it, that one in three products actually met their label claims.
Jeff: That what they said was on the label was actually the product. And, look, there can be discrepancies in terms of manufacturers, but you can’t always blame somebody else, you have to take responsibility for your brand and your product. I mean things do happen, I understand that but not that consistently.
Matt: And, the tarnishing of the industry has got that bad–you see that Irish boxer who got done for having banned substances in his system and he went out and said, “It’s not my fault, it was a supplement I was using,” and the media has just gone all over it, saying, “Another victim of these dodgy supplement companies.” Now, to put it into perspective this guy has been told what supplements to take and he chose to take them. They’ve got a whole list of supplements that are suitable for them to use, so he chose, apparently, to use a supplement that’s not on the list. He hasn’t named the supplement, but you had purchased a supplement containing a contaminant that wasn’t listed and it made you miss out on your Olympic dream wouldn’t you name and shame? I know I would. So, he hasn’t named the supplement, no one’s produced a supplement, no one’s tested a supplement to show that it is contaminated by anything, but everyone just quite happily accepts the fact that, “It’s not your fault, you took a bad supplement because the supplement game is dodgy.”
Jeff: Well, let me say, maybe not everybody, but certainly mainstream media seems to have a good bash at it. I’m sure that the IOC and WADA are probably going to say, “Okay, can you please provide us details,” but the problem is…
Matt: That won’t make the news.
Jeff: Yeah. As Winston Churchill said, “A lie gets half way around the world before the truth has a chance to get it’s pants on.” Anyway, we digress a little bit, but let’s get back into…
Matt: One more thing, you know how people claim that, “My products have got NSF Certification? The National Sports Federation Certification?
Jeff: You’re calling bull crap on that?
Matt: Well, no, not necessarily. I just want everyone to know that that is per batch. So, when these people go through the process of getting NF Certification for a product, it is for a batch. You can go into the FDA webpages, I think it is, and you can actually search which batches have been tested and shown to be clear. What people will often do is they will only test one batch knowing that then their company name and their product name gets added to this list of NSF Certified products, and assuming people aren’t going to read the fine print that basically says, “Make sure you check this batch, it’s only this one batch.” So, if a company or a brand says, “We have NSF Certification,” yeah, I call bullshit, but if they say, “I have NSF Certification for this named product on this batch,” then that’s legit. But, just be aware of that, that’s all I want people to know. You can’t go through and say, “These people tested one batch 10 years ago, they’re fine.”
Matt: What were we talking about?
Jeff: We were talking about Creatine Performance Fuel, and we got down this little rabbit hole.
Matt: Oh yeah, a rantie.
Jeff: And, Creatine is great, so utilise Creatine Power Strength, again, more studies. We have covered it in previous podcasts.
Matt: Again, it’s not necessarily going to help your performance if you take it pre workout and before the thing. It’s another one of those things you want to load up on, and when we say load up on I’m not saying just taking what they call a loading cycle of Creatine, I’m talking about using Creatine post workout for a period of time leading up to the events to increase your amount of Creatinol O-Phosphate.
Jeff: A good time to take it with simple Carbohydrates at that time to replace the Glycogen that going to get a free ride.
Matt: And, Magnesium.
Jeff: Yeah, Magnesium. Again, there are some other things and we can talk about Electrolytes in Performance a minute as well, Matt, and the reason they take it.
Matt: So, if we look at Performance Fuel, so that’s Carbs and certain Amino Acids, but not the Branch Chain, not the Glutamine, not the Creatine, they don’t do anything for Performance.
Jeff: They’re post.
Matt: You do all them post and you do them after training leading up to your event. So, everyday you’re training you do those Nutrients post workout and they will load up into your body, but as far as Performance on the game day, Carbs, certain Amino Acids in the right dose; you don’t want anything competing. That’s why I mentioned Glutamine, because Glutamine is great and we need Glutamine, but taking Glutamine before a big event doesn’t do anything, what it’s going to do is add to the amount of Glutamine in your Gut Wall, but during an event your body’s got to still liberate it out of the Gut Wall, utilise it and all that stuff. So, throw your Glutamine in post workout leading up to the event.
Jeff: And, again, just looking at some studies, and maybe this is a little abstract, Matt, so don’t quote me on this, but they were saying as far as Performance is concerned Glutamine didn’t actually have, really, any beneficial effect on Performance per se. We know that it’s beneficial for the Gut, we know that it’s the most abundant Amino Acid in the body, we know it’s got two Nitrogen molecules per Amino as well, so you’re getting double bang for your buck as far as Nitrogen is concerned, but if you haven’t done the work then your body’s not going to build Muscle just by taking Glutamine. I do like it, it’s something that I do recommend, but in terms of…
Matt: Again, post workout.
Jeff: Yeah, post workout, it’s a timing factor. Alright, what else, Matt?
Matt: The other factors that you really want to take into consideration are the big things: Hydrations Status, and that also links in with Electrolytes. It doesn’t matter what we’re talking about with Performance Fuel and Aminos and that, if you haven’t diluted that supplement properly it can make you feel sick and it can’t be carried properly through your body, so dilution of the supplements is also important, and that also then links into our ability to make sure we maintain Hydration Status, and then without the Electrolytes we can’t get that water into our body. So, if you’re not getting the water and the Electrolytes right and the Fuel right nothing else is going to work.
Jeff: So, Potassium, Magnesium…
Matt: So, the Electrolytes we refer to are, Sodium, Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium.
Jeff: But, Sodium is a dirty word, Matt.
Matt: Yeah. No, you need Sodium. Naturally, Salt contains all of those things, that’s the problem.
Jeff: As soon as you sweat it’s salty.
Matt: Yeah, exactly. So, Salt normally would be a combination of all of those minerals we mentioned. Unfortunately for Table Salt, Sodium Aluminium Hydroxide is actually better for putting on your shelf, it stays nice and fine and white. They get rid of the other stuff and then put Aluminium in it to keep it dry and as a fine white powder, so that’s the problem, because there’s so much Sodium out there out of proportion to the others, so now people think, “Oh, I can’t take any more Sodium,” but it’s a bit different if you’re an athlete and you’re sweating and depleting your body of all these Nutrients, you need to put them in. And, typically, the athletes are the ones that are health conscious as well, and are not doing it, saying, “I can’t have too much Sodium,” but they’re the ones that actually need it.
The cause of Sodium Deficiency is too much Water, so if you’re drinking a lot of water and peeing a lot you’re depleting your body of Sodium, so excessive activity, perspiration, that sort of stuff, all deplete your body of Sodium, so you do need it. People always ask how much but it is so variable, what works for one person is definitely…
Jeff: I heard someone say, basically, you put it on till you can taste it or something?
Matt: Okay, so basically, if you’re Deficient, and this is the cool thing about Minerals…
Jeff: You’ll crave it?
Matt: Yeah, you’ll crave it if you’re intuitive and that sort of stuff. But, if you’re Deficient then it gets absorbed really quickly, Active Transport Pumps are upregulated to suck the Salt in really quickly. So, what happens is, it hits your tongue and gets absorbed before you get to taste it, so what happens, as your Salt levels in your body build up the absorption slows down, it spends longer on your tongue, so it tastes saltier. So, basically, if you’re craving Salt and needing to add more and more Salt to your meals and you’re adding Salt and it’s not even tasting salty you either don’t own a tongue or you’re Deficient in Salts. Then, as your Salt levels build up you stop absorbing it, food starts tasting too salty, and you’re going, “Oh, I don’t need to add Salt anymore.” So, follow your intuition there, don’t over think things too much and just be aware that is a little thing that happens.
Jeff: Cool. Anything else then, Matt, on Performance?
Matt: With the Electrolytes it is so important to not go cheap. Now, this is a big—and it was funny when I was doing the product development for the INFRARED, because I was getting so excited to talk to you guys about Electrolytes and no one cared…
Jeff: I cared, Matt.
Matt: I was genuinely, “Have you got any idea how amazing this Electrolyte ratio—how much effort and how much science and how much intelligence has gone into this Electrolyte design—not my intelligence, the people I was stealing the info from—so, there was a lot of effort gone into manipulating the right ratios of Electrolytes to get the right dilution strategy, to get the right form of Electrolytes so they can get absorbed, and the most important part of Hydration and Performance is getting the right ratios of your Salts to go with your Sugars and your Water to actually get this stuff moving through your body properly. Come on Man, tell me I’m awesome.
No. Then the other companies out there are using Oxides, they’re using Carbonates, they’re using Sulphates, they’re using Hydroxide forms and all that sort of stuff. There is so much rubbish out there in the forms of Electrolytes, and people are just looking for Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium and Calcium, they’re not looking at what it’s attached to, and partly because they make it hard, they just put those, like Magnesium on the nutrition panel, they don’t actually go and say, “By the way, that was from Magnesium Oxide,” or, “That was from Calcium Carbonate,” or often even from Magnesium Stearate which was used as a filler, so they could still say that Magnesium was in there; they do that, Man.
So, you’ve got to respect the fact that with your Electrolytes, Citrate forms get absorbed really, really well, they dissolve really well in water, and the Citrate forms provide the Citrate directly for the Citric Acid Cycle, plus they’re the most Alkalising forms working as a buffering agent in your blood. We use Magnesium Aspartate in INFRARED because the Aspartate is probably one of the easiest to absorb, very fast absorption, and then what happens it delivers the Magnesium but then provides the Aspartate which then joins up with the Citrulline to make Arginine and Nitric Oxide. So, having a strategy around the type of Electrolytes you choose is just so important compared to just throwing in an Oxide—so, Magnesium Oxide is a laxative; Calcium Carbonate causes constipation.
Matt: So, they juggle around between the ratios of those to make sure you’re somewhere around the middle, hopefully. Potassium Chloride is a commonly used one, and then a lot of the Sulphate forms just make you crook.
Jeff: Sulphate’s being broken down the wrong way to Sulphuric Acid.
Matt: Yeah. So, if you have a look at things like Epsom Salts, Milk of Magnesia, Dolomite, these are the old school ways that people were getting Electrolytes into a product just for the sake of being able to label it as including Magnesium. So, don’t go cheap on your Electrolytes, even though they’re probably the cheapest part of the product, but you want to put a lot of effort into those and make sure that they’re working well for you.
Jeff: Nah, just take INFRARED. That’s what Jake Matthews does, he absolutely loves it.
Matt: Yeah, that’s right.
Jeff: Righto. Do we have time for any more? I mean there’s plenty more things we could do.
Matt: There’s one other thing I just wanted to touch on.
Matt: Ooh, John’s—no. Adaptogenic Herbs. This is where they can become really important. We were talking about the Australian Olympic team and that sort of stuff as well. What do Adaptogens do? Adaptogens, if you’re down and flat they’ll pick you up, which is great for when you’re training and you don’t feel like going, but if you’re up and anxious and nervous they’ll actually calm you down. I used to do a lot of work with race horses, which was cool, apart from the dodgy trainers and then that weird guy on their back, they’re pretty much unbiased, they kind of just run, and they record everything, so they’re really cool little lab rats except that they’re so bloody big you’ve got to use a lot of product.
Jeff: But, they can’t nick off to the fridge in the middle of the night, can they?
Matt: No, that’s right, but you just don’t know what the trainers are doing when no one is watching.
But, race horses, you know how you see some horses and they lather right up before a race, they get really anxious and nervous and then they don’t perform very well, and they can’t handle endurance?
Matt: When we use Adaptogenic Herbs like Schisandra, Withania and that sort of stuff with these animals, the lathering stops, they all cool, they’re calm and then they just run like the clappers, they don’t waste nervous energy around the event. So, Adaptogenic Herbs are very underrated, because most people are looking for a stimulant, most people are thinking, “I’m going to have to stimulate my brain.” Like, Amphetamines—most people get done for drug cheating and it’s some sort of Amphetamine they’re using to improve their performance, but all that does is mimic Adrenaline, which is great if you want to run away from something. But, an Adaptogenic style Herb is so much better because it’s not wasting nervous energy, you’re not going to be doing stupid things, you’re not going to be getting Anxiety and Panic Attacks exhausting your resources by running on Adrenaline before the event. So, Adaptogenic Herbs are very good.
Matt: And, when you have a look at all the different Adaptogenic Herbs available Schisandra chinesis has to be my favourite, it has to be the best, because it also has those benefits for enhancing Nitric Oxide Vasodilation, they buffer Acidity, they stop Respiratory Acidosis, it also helps with a lot of other Performance stuff. So, Schisandra Berries, absolutely brilliant.
Jeff: And, you’ve got Schisandra in the INFRARED, is there anything else?
Matt: Well, the INFRARED is based on Beetroot juice powder…
Jeff: Which is Nitric Oxide as well?
Matt: Yeah, and the Nitrates and the Betaine. We’ve got the full spectrum of Electrolytes. So, Beetroot contains the Betaine, which is Trimethylglycine. It contains Nitrates, and they’re the main components, but there’s something else, oh yeah, a bit of Sucrose, a nice bit of Sugar. So, that’s all coming out of the Beetroot juice, and then there’s the Schisandra Berries, a nice big dose of Schisandra Berries. It’s got Magnesium Aspartate, Potassium, Calcium, Sodium Citrates, Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, Dimethylglycine, Creatinol O-Phosphate; Creatinol O-Phosphate we didn’t talk too much about, it works totally different to Creatine.
Jeff: To do with Muscle, isn’t it?
Matt: What it is, you know when you get really Acidic in your Muscles and you start going spastic?
Matt: You lose tone and technique and form and that sort of stuff, and get injuries. Creatinol o-Phosphate stops Cells that are loaded up Acidity from going spastic.
Jeff: So, basically, it was put into the formula, if I remember correctly, Matt. But, we can put in all these buffers and all the rest of it, but if you keep pushing yourself at 100 miles an hour in a highly competitive cross fit game, rugby, NFL, whatever, eventually your body is going to get over that threshold where these things can’t work, and then this will help keep the Fluidity of the Muscle going so that your main coordination, technique, control…
Matt: Yeah, and even though most of the studies on it were done by Cardiac surgeons where they were inducing Heart Attacks and couldn’t get the Heart Muscle to cramp when it was full of Lactic Acid because it had no Oxygen. So, it was stopping Heart problems.
Jeff: Gees, no claims there.
Jeff: No. And, one last one, Matt, and again, we’re running out of time because we’ve got some FAQs. Caffeine: now Caffeine is cool.
Matt: Oh, it’s fantastic.
Jeff: And, the funny thing is, we had a pre workout product a while ago and we used Yerba Mate which had a natural form of Caffeine. Again, we wanted to bring something into the system…
Matt: Mm, slower release.
Jeff: Yeah, just so that you wouldn’t get the high, high and then, like everything, the pendulum, what goes up must come down, and if it goes up slowly it’s more inclined to come down slowly, so we didn’t want to create that crash. But, Caffeine is brilliant, Matt, isn’t it?
Matt: It’s probably the most studied, actually, of all Ergogenic Aids. It does a couple of different things, it works as a Phosphodiesterase type 2 inhibitor, which preserves Cyclic AMP in all the Cells of your body. So, after your body increases the amount of on switches it can peturse it actually preserves them and makes them last longer. At the same time, it’s a Beta Agonist so it acts like a stimulant directly by stimulating Adrenaline style Receptors, and that, indirectly, causes Cyclic AMP, and then it’s also preserving it, so there’s a lot of good things. There’s even a lot of research on Caffeine’s ability to enhance Glycogen replenishment, so there’s a lot of good research on Caffeine, it’s just a matter of getting the right doses and then using it right.
Jeff: Yeah, I think 6 milligrams per kilo, I think they worked out to be.
Jeff: Was it 6 milligrams per kilo they thought was the optimum dose.
Matt: That would get me running like an idiot.
Jeff: But, they said 10 milligrams per kilo for some people could—I’m quoting off the top of my head, Matt, I just remember reading this study a while ago.
Matt: I mean, typically, a cup of coffee, a shot of Espresso you’re looking around 60 milligrams, 75 milligrams.
Jeff: So, one to two shots depending on how big you are is about right, Matt, for the average punter.
Matt: Yeah. You’re telling me to have 1200 milligrams or something, but I’d be banging off walls.
Jeff: No, 6 milligrams per 10 kilos, maybe that’s what it was. Oh yeah, there you go. So, a 60 milligram serve for a 60 kilo person and 120 for 100, yeah, there you go.] [I’M NOT SURE ABOUT THESE MILLIGRAM MEASUREMENTS, IT’S A BIT CONFUSING, SO COULD YOU CHECK THEM PLEASE] So, I typically take a double shot which is probably punching a bit above my weight, but anyway.
Matt: It’s one of those things, a lot of people just really enjoy drinking coffee, too. You don’t always have to put in a supplement, you can enjoy a coffee with it.
Jeff: Yeah, well obviously there’s the Fat Loss benefits as well too.
Jeff: There’s quite a few cool things.
Matt: We’ll end up making another one, won’t we?
Jeff: A pre workout?
Matt: Yeah, a pre workout stimulant style thing.
Jeff: Yeah. Again, we’ve just got to find something that works. And, again, it’s like everything, it’s not going to be for everyone, but at the same time I think a lot of people are calling for it, Matt, so we’ve got to do it the ATP way.
Matt: Yeah. Anyway, we’re doing a podcast, I forgot.
Jeff: Sorry. You were going all dreamy eyed and staring off into the distance. Alright, so anything else on Performance, Matt?
Jeff: Cool. Let’s get into some FAQs.
Matt: Run fast you bastard!
Jeff: This one is from Kim: “Hi guys. Firstly, I need to say that you guys have an amazing positive effect on my approach to being healthy and dropping the excess Fat. You have shifted my mindset into working with my body, so thank you very much.
Over the past two weeks I’ve been following an Intermittent Fasting where I have a window of eating between midday and 8pm. During this time, I eat clean whole foods regularly with no refined foods or sugars. My calorie intake and my feeding window is between 1600 and 1800 calories. Six mornings a week I do a 30 to 60-minute heavy strength training. During my training I’ve been taking 5 milligrams of 211 Pure BCAAs with water and fresh grape juice.”
Jeff: “I’m 171 centimetres tall and roughly 80 kilos. My body has responded well to my plan so far but I have a couple of questions that I can’t seem to find trusting answers to.
Question 1: Between 10am and midday I’ve been getting really cold. Am I doing something wrong? Can I do anything different or better?
Question 2: I have stubborn chunks of Fat on my hips and tummy that I want gone. I’m looking to invest in ATP products but with a limited budget I’d like some guidance on which products I should start with.
Question 3: I’d love to hear your feedback on the type of Fasting I am doing, and if you have any recommendations. I look forward to your support, cheers Kim.”
Matt: Cool. Yeah, I was still thinking about Caffeine. No, no sorry.
With this one, that’s fine, during the training using the Branch Chain Amino Acids and I think that was Grapefruit.
Jeff: And, I like the fact that she’s using the 211, Matt, which is not the dickie ratio.
Matt: Yeah, a point of difference. So, 211 Branch Chains with Water and fresh Grapefruit. So, you’re doing a little bit there to preserve your Muscle and some of that will then go to Glycogen replenishment. But, what you’re probably finding in around that 10am time—I don’t know where the coldness is coming from. Typically, you get those sort of symptoms when you’re either depleted in—so you get Low Blood Volume or Low Blood Glucose.
Jeff: Yeah, I was going to say Low Blood Volume.
Matt: Yeah. So, you can get it from Low Blood Sugar, but typically you get Clammy and Cold at the same time, but if you’ve got Low Blood Volume, meaning that you’re Dehydrated and have depleted your Electrolytes, in particular the Intracellular Electrolytes Magnesium and Potassium, and what happens is you basically lower Blood Volume. You know when you see the Country and Western, “I’ve been shot. I’m cold, I’m cold, Daddy, I’m cold”?
Jeff: “Don’t go into the light son.”
Matt: “Shut up kid, I ain’t your Pa.”
Matt: Outlaw Jersey Wales.
Matt: So, basically, if your body thinks you’re bleeding to death or you don’t have enough Blood then you go really cold, so I’d be looking at Hydration and Electrolytes as my first place to go, and then see what happens there. “Stubborn chunks of Fat on my hips and tummy that I want gone…
Jeff: BLOCK E and SUB?
Jeff: Alright, we’ll flick one of those out.
Matt: And, just for the final question, she wants to hear our feedback on the type of Fasting she’s doing. It sounds fine, we’re big fans of the Intermittent Fasting and that sort of stuff.
Jeff: I love it, not just for Weight Loss but just for Brain Function, anti-Aging, the body’s ability to repair broken DNA it is just…
Matt: Slowing down the Cell Cycles again.
Jeff: Absolutely. I think it’s great, and it keeps the body guessing as well too, in terms of foods so the body doesn’t become…
Matt: A bit of Feast and Famine, yeah you’re right.
Jeff: But, the other thing that I’d like to say as well. Again, if the main function is to lose Body Fat I’d drop the BCAAs during your training.
Matt: Oh yeah, they’re going to compete with Body Fat, and use AMP V beforehand.
Jeff: Yeah, exactly. I was going to say AMP maybe with a bit of Caffeine. I’ll throw in an AMP as well too. Toni does, my wife, when she gets up in the morning she does Fasted Cardio, she has a black coffee, so she’ll have 60 milligrams.
Matt: Then she puts her AMP in the coffee.
Jeff: Puts the AMP in to make it like a minty bullet, a minty bullet coffee.
Matt: Yeah, it’s nice. I love that.
Jeff: So, give that a crack instead of the BCAAs. Try the BLOCK E3 and the SUBCUT; the SUBCUT before training and again in the evening and use the BLOCK E3 in the morning and at night after showers.
Matt: We want to get the Blood Volume up so you want to make sure you’re having plenty of Water and buy a Magnesium, Potassium supplement or something like that, I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
Jeff: Would you be happy, Matt, with Celtic or Sea Salt, would that be of help?
Matt: Yeah, not much Magnesium in them though, so the challenge is getting the Magnesium up. I’m just so used to using supplements for these things.
Jeff: I know.
Matt: But yeah, I can’t think of anything off the top of my head. The other thing I was going to say, though, is after you try that Electrolyte and Rehydration strategy, what I do think you should do is then if that does not work then focus on eating a little bit more Carbs before bed. I know you’re going to say, “Oh, but I’m trying to lose weight,” and all that sort of stuff, but it doesn’t matter. What you’re doing is, you’re putting those Carbs in to load up your Muscle Glycogen so when you train the next day you’ve actually got some Glycogen there, and as long as you then delay your Glycogen Replenishment throughout the day for as long as possible you’re Burning Fat all day, and then you reload your Carbohydrate into your Muscles at night that way you’ve got some Glycogen reserves for your training the next day.
Jeff: What about Thyroid, Matt?
Matt: Yeah, you don’t typically find a rebound, “Oh gosh, I’m cold at this time after training.” Typically, with the Thyroid you’re constantly cold. The other way you can do it is measure your actual body temperature.
Jeff: When you wake up?
Matt: Because, I know we often get the sensation of cold but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s changing your Basal Body Temperature. So, you could do a whole series of Basal Body Temperatures every morning before you get up and go to the gym, and if you tend to be cold every morning, except for the morning you ovulate, then it’s possibly Thyroid.
Jeff: What’s the target range, Matt?
Matt: Well, 36.8 is normal, so somewhere around there.
Jeff: Alright, so a thermometer underneath the arm every morning, try that for a month.
Matt: And then try somewhere else. No.
Jeff: Like over at my place.
Jeff: I don’t know, it’s weird.
Matt: You weirdo.
Jeff: Alright. So, this one is from Natalie.
Jeff: “Hi Matt and Jeff. Firstly, congratulations on creating an incredibly informative forum and the products to support it.”
Matt: Oh nice, thank you.
Jeff: Thank you, Natalie. “My story goes way back to my early childhood. I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis at the age of two, and suffered numerous flare ups until remission in my mid-teens. As a 16-year-old a bout of Tonsillitis turned into Glandular Fever and then Chronic Fatigue. Then, about 10 years ago I went through a particularly stressful period in my life and I suffered the onset of extreme Pain and Bloating in my Gut. This set me up for the next decade plus of searching for remedies for this. Under the guidance of numerous Gastroenterologists and Holistic practitioners I have never received a proper diagnosis although Colonoscopies revealed Inflammatory Cells and I have been told that although the diagnosis can take many years for these kinds of diseases the general consensus is that I have Inflammatory Bowel Disease. I am not sure about that, but I have always felt that the Stress Episode in my life created a Flight or Fight Mechanism that I have never been able to reverse. I have a number of nervous habits such as Grinding my Teeth day and night that makes me feel that way.
On my journey to regain my health I have seen many Holistic practitioners. I have been told through various tests that I have a Leaky Gut, and that my Gut Bacteria is out of balance. I also have a Sensitivity to Glutamine, the very thing I was once taking to heal my Gut. And, Allergies to a large number of foods. Out of desperation I sent my Bloods to a specialist Lab in Germany that defines 77 foods that I was Allergic to. The elimination of these foods and rotation of safe foods almost drove me mad. In fact, the many Allergies and Sensitivities send me down a path of elimination that basically made food my enemy, and sadly, over time, this led to very restrictive Diets and a very disordered relationship with food.
About five months ago I decided I could no longer live with the ridiculous protocols that I had around food any longer. Hell, I’m almost 40 and decided enough is enough. So, I started to eat more liberally and boy did the weight pack on despite significant intensity at the gym.
I have a background as a PT and run a business in the industry so I know how to train, and despite a five-day split weight program, eating clean and a Diet consisting of around 1500 Calories the weight just packed on. I’m not 6 kilos above my heaviest weight. Out of desperation I recently went to a GP to get a host of tests done to see why my hard work in the gym wasn’t paying off, and he discovered that I had very high Cortisol and very low Testosterone levels and low DHEA. He supplemented me with DHEA at 25 milligrams a day.
I know you have talked about this in some of the podcasts, so I started talking T432 plus ALPHA PRIME and CORT RX. I’m approximately one and a half weeks into this. I’m currently on the pill, Dianne, and I also took my Basal Temps the last few mornings and they are 36.3, which seems low. I also suffer from Eczema and Raynaud’s—bloody Autoimmune again. I have terrible trouble sleeping. I suspect my Metabolism is severely compromised due to my years of restricted eating, but weight training alone is definitely going to help my panacea.
Help boys, I want my body back, as results drive me, and this is quite frustrating to say the least. I’m not looking for a silver bullet but some guidance that would help me to be the best version of me. Over to you. Thanks again, keep up the fabulous work, Nat.”
Matt: Cool. It sounds heavy eh?
Jeff: Yeah, it does.
Matt: But, there are so many patterns running through there and you can see the way these things actually happen. We’ve talked about Immune System on multiple podcasts and we use the analogy of the Immune System being like a seesaw, one side is designed to kill little things, the other side is designed to flush away big things. So, one eats Bacteria, Viruses, Fungi, but also can eat our own tissues of our body. The other one flushes away foods and Allergies.
What happens, with Rheumatoid Arthritis—the Immune System that is designed to kill off Infections and Cancer has got confused, it’s got a cross reaction. While being stimulated to kill off an Infection it’s got a cross reaction with some of your Connective Tissue and has now decided that your Connective Tissue resembles an invading Organism and it’s continue to attack it. Inflammatory Bowel Disease, Raynaud’s Phenomenon are all exactly the same part of the Immune System, which is not the part of the Immune System that deals with Allergies, it’s the opposite. So, when this Immune System polarises and gets stuck high you don’t typically get many Colds and Flus, you don’t get many Infections, and you’re not predisposed to Cancers and that sort of stuff, because your Immune Surveillance is so high it never backs off. The trick is, what usually precedes that is Adrenal Maladaptation of some sort.
So, what happens there; Cortisol is our anti-Stress Hormone, Cortisol is also supposed to switch off our Immune System, it’s supposed to switch off our Inflammation, supposed to switch off our Pain, it’s supposed to stop the Immune System from attacking your Gut Wall. Cortisol is supposed to do all of those things well as switch off Anxiety, switch off Stress, and all that Worry and Panic. Even her blood test shows she’s got high Cortisol but it’s not doing any of those things. What you have to understand is, when you’re going through Stress, if Cortisol is coming out trying to switch off your Stress Survival Response and at the same time another Trigger comes in your body overrides the Cortisol and you become resistant to Cortisol. So, what happens then is your Adrenal Gland has to continually pump out so much Cortisol just to touch the sides, just so it can register, and that’s exhausting.
Interestingly, Cortisol is made out of exactly the same thing as DHEA and Testosterone, and Cortisol is made in exactly the same place as DHEA. So, what you’re finding is the body’s basically saying, “I am pumping every resource I can into making enough Cortisol to switch off this Immune System and switch off this Stress.” But, the problem is, because of the history of Stress and Immune and Inflammation all happening at once, the body’s said, “No, we can’t listen to Cortisol, I can’t afford to stop because I’ve got all these other Triggers saying, “Go, go, go,” you know what I mean. It’s like finding yourself in a pit of snakes and then jumping out of the pit of snakes and getting this big surge of Cortisol to say, “Right, you’ve obviously had a Survival Response, the Cortisol’s come out, you’ve had enough time to escape now stop,” but you’ve landed in a pit of spiders, and then your body’s going, “But shit, I’ve got all this Cortisol there saying, “Stop, it’s okay,” and then because you get another Stress Trigger your body says, “Don’t listen to the Cortisol, go,” and that keeps happening over and over again.
Then, what happens is, your body has to pump out so much Cortisol all the time it hovers from high Cortisol, trying it’s hardest to switch this stuff off, to, “I’m buggered,” and then you crash and you’ve got no Cortisol. And, in those situations, when you crash, all your Autoimmunity and everything takes off, but the rest of the time you’ve got this high Cortisol that’s preserving Fat and Fluid and everything on your body because, typically, Fat Cells won’t become resistant to the bloody thing, it’s only the useful bits and pieces.
Jeff: Of course!
Matt: So what you’ll find happening, the Glandular Fever comes in, it’s called Epstein Bar Virus, that’s a constant challenge on the Immune System because it actually lives inside your Immune Cells with a little protective coating. So, it’s a crazy sort of situation, but at the end of the day, what would have preceded even the Rheumatoid Arthritis and the IBD and everything like that, is Adrenal Exhaustion. The problem is, if your Adrenals are not capable of controlling your Immune System then it can’t control the way you respond to food either. It also can’t switch off the Sympathetic Nervous System and allow your Gut Wall to heal, so you get stuck into this vicious cycle. The Allergy side of things is always going to show up bad, you’re going to react to bloody everything because your Immune System is running around like an idiot.
So, the key, is for us to tell that Immune System to back off and we’ve got to rebuild the sensitivity in your Brain to Cortisol, we’ve got to get your body used to using lower levels of Cortisol again, and the only way to do that is by cycling when you’re in the up phase and down phase, so it’s a little bit tricky. So, we’ve got to use the CORT RX but it’s got to have steady Blood Levels, so you want to have at least one of them three times a day, and maybe even another one before bed, you know, four a day just to keep a steady Blood Level of that.
Matt: We definitely need to do something with the Gut Wall but it’s all about just chilling out. There’s a part of our Gut—our Gut controls our Immune System and there’s an element of our Gut called Oral Tolerance, or as I refer to it, shit happens. It’s supposed to be sampling your poo saying, “A little bit of bugs, a little bit of Allergens, a little bit of Dust, Pollen, Chemicals, who cares, a little bit of everything’s fine,” as long as you don’t have a big dose of anything in particular it says, “Chill out, relax.” The problem is, when you get a Leaky Gut Wall there’s no such thing as low dose exposure, everything slips through in a high dose, so the Immune System has to react. That’s why the key is to just get that nice seal across the Gut Wall with a mechanical barrier using something like a Slippery Elm Bark, and then use a particular strain of Probiotic like Lactobacillus plantarum, which is a calming anti-Inflammatory one, it doesn’t stimulate either side of the Immune System, it just flattens that seesaw.
So, I’d use Slippery Elm Bark, I’d do Lactobacillus plantarum, I’d do the CORT RX, and I wouldn’t do a huge amount more. The only other thing I would throw in, because it is absolutely perfectly fitted to that blood test profile, is ALPHA PRIME. So, what I would do is, yeah, do three CORT RX a day, one of those with each meal and then throw two ALPAH PRIME in directly before bed. The ALPAH PRIME what it does is it will drop Cortisol by about 20%, increase DHEA and Testosterone by about 20%.
Matt: And, that will fix a lot of those symptoms, start changing your body shape, then we’ve just got to break the cycle by getting that Gut right and spending long enough with your Adrenals, with the Cortisol back into normal physiological ranges for it to get more sensitive to that level of Cortisol again. Another thing that would actually be really good is AMP V because of the level of CLA; CLA is a very powerful anti-Inflammatory for your Gut Wall and all through your Liver and it also regulates the way your Cortisol interacts with your Immune System.
Jeff: How many times a day for the AMP V?
Matt: Oh, do it a couple because you want to—I’d actually do it before training, definitely, and before morning Cardio and that sort of stuff, so just throw it in a couple of times a day as well. You could use it for the Digestive Tract, so in between meals whenever you feel a bit gurgling or farting or anything like that, it just breaks up the farts and the gurgles and stuff like that.
Jeff: Cool. You should use it more often.
Matt: You should.
Jeff: Nice come back. You should.
Matt: Me? Oh, Mate I’m like all flowery.
Jeff: Matt, that’s all that we’ve got time for today. So, I’m going to send out a CORT RX and an ALPHA PRIME and an AMP V and hopefully that can help Nat in getting back on track.
Matt: No worries. Yeah, do it.
Jeff: Matt, last word for the day?
Jeff: Well done. You’re on fire. That’s what happens when you do a podcast in the afternoon.
Jeff: Aright, thanks everyone for listening and we’ll be back next week.
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