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ATP Science Episode 39 – Fats and Oils


Welcome to the ATP Project, Episode 39 – Fats and Oils.

• Fat Soluble Vitamins
• Saturated and Non-Saturated Fats
• Coconut Oil
• All the Omegas – including 3, 5, 6, 7 & 9
• Essential Oils
• Insulin
• Glycagon
• FAQs

Welcome to the ATP Project, you’re with your hosts Matt and Jeff.

Jeff: Matt, today we’re talking about Fat.

Matt: Cool. Who’s Fat?

Jeff: Well, you’re an expert.

Matt: Oh? Good one.

Jeff: Sorry about that. No, you’re not really.

Matt: Yeah, sure.

Jeff: You’re just cuddly.

Matt: ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People,’ and get a punch in the face at the same time.

Jeff: Matt, so let’s talk about Fat.

Matt: Alright Skinny, let’s go.

Jeff: I’m not going to argue there.

Matt: Sarcopenic – were you being sarcastic? Sarcasm means to tear flesh, which is why Sarcopenic Obesity is someone who has a lack of flesh and too much Fat. Funny eh?

Jeff: Yeah, it is funny—well, not for them, but yeah.

Matt: The Fat bastards.

Jeff: Matt, there are a few things I want to talk about: Fat Soluble Vitamins, we going to talk about the different types of Fats, Fats that are beneficial and healthy. I think most of our listeners, and we can’t make assumptions because maybe some people are listening to us for the first time. I want to talk about things like Fish Oils and DHA, DHA, EPA, all those different types of Fats as well, Matt. We want to talk a little bit about Essential Oils, we want to talk about Insulin and Glycagon.
So, let’s talk about Fat in general, the Goods, the Bads, the Uglies, all that sort of stuff. Where do you
want to start?

Matt: Well, you touched on something that I find people confuse a lot; you know when we talk about Essential
Amino Acids and we talk about Essential Nutrients?

Jeff: Mm.

Matt: Essential Fatty Acids are essential to life; Essential Oils aren’t. A lot of people confuse the Essential Oils with the Essential Fatty Acids. So, we do need certain Essential Fatty Acids to sustain life, and they’re the Essential Fatty Acids. We need a good breakdown of all the Omega Oils, a combination of Unsaturated Fat and Saturated Fat; you need a bit of everything. And, the funny thing is, when you were doing the intro and I was listening and you said we’re going to talk about the good oils and the bad oils I’m sitting racking my brain thinking, “I don’t know if it’s that easy.” We always talk about it, everything is to do with ratios, you need a little bit of everything.

There are some Bad Fats that I can definitely talk about and it’s quite easy because they’re not natural, they’re things that are manmade and they are things that we do not know how to process and they’re just straight out Bad. I tell you what the worst Fat is? Is no Fat. If you have no Fat you’ll die, so we have to have some.

Jeff: Well, essential for life, we need Vitamin A, Vitamin D, Vitamin E.

Matt: Yeah, the Fat Soluble Vitamins.

Jeff: So, tell us about that.

Matt: They’re the Vitamins that are found within the Fat and they’re stored within Fats within our body, so they’re found in the Fatty Foods, they’re found in the Oily Foods and that sort of stuff, and they’re essential to life. So, Vitamin A for the Immune System and Mucous Membranes, Vitamin D which works more like a Hormone, a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory, Vitamin E an Immune Modulator, Antioxidant, Vitamin K is essential for clotting factors and that sort of stuff. So, they’re your Fat Soluble Vitamins, which is another reason why we need to eat Good Oils because they will be included in those Oily Foods.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: A point to mention, now we’re talking about those, anything that strips Fat from your body will also strip the Fat Soluble Vitamins. So, you know how they have all those supplements like Chitosan?

Jeff: Chitosan, yeah.

Matt: That was originally used for mopping up Oil spills, so it’s good, it soaks up Fat really well. Really good for people with Gall Bladder problems where they feel queasy and sick, it will just soak up that Fat and strip that Fat out of your body.

Jeff: Well it funny, because I was just thinking about Chitosan. I think there was a pharmaceutical product called Zyban.

Matt: Yeah, there’s a lot of them.

Jeff: I remember—it would have been in the ‘90s I think, everything was Chitosan, this was going to be an absolute miracle, and I remember knowing a little bit about health and saying to the guy who was promoting it—I think it was through a network marketing company—I said, “Well, if that’s true, if you can, effectively, add this in with your diet—because, back then it was all about, “Get Fat out of your diet, reduce as much Fat as possible,” and so they spiked everything up with bloody Sugar. So, you get the Low Fat Yoghurts and they’re actually more fattening for you because they’ve actually upped the amount of Sugar in there.

Matt: Yeah. But, stripping Fat out and stripping out the Fat Soluble Vitamins with it means it’s going to make you extremely sick.

Jeff: Yeah, that’s right.

Matt: Because, like we said, Fat is essential for life as well. So, for example, a typical thing would be, someone goes, “Man, I need to lose weight—and, these are the Chitosan people I’m talking about—they go, “Man, I need to lose weight, so what I’m going to do is I’m going to cut my Calories from Fat down to 5 or 10% of everything I’m eating, and then I’m going to throw in Chitosan to absorb that and strip it straight out so there are no Fats within my body.” Now, Fat is a building block. For example; our body is 70% water or something?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: If we didn’t have Fatty Membranes separating these Water compartments we’d just turn into a puddle, we need these Oily Structures, and that’s why we need Saturated Fat to give structure to Cells, like the Macular, the body needs the Saturated Fat to give some sort of structure, because Saturated Fats are solid and Unsaturated Fats are liquid, so you need the Saturated Fat to give the solid structure to the Oily Membranes that make up Cell Walls and Receptors and the Elastic Aspects of an Artery.

Jeff: And also, Hormone production is incredibly Fat…

Matt: Yeah, well Hormones are made from Cholesterol, and all your Prostaglandins, Leukocytes, so your Prostaglandins control the Elasticity of Arteries and the ability to maintain Circulation and Bronchioles and all that sort of stuff, they’re all dependent on Fats, which means you need to eat a certain amount.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: The studies show, for general health and maintenance and that sort of stuff, you need about 30% of your Calories to come from Oil, that’s the health ratio.

We can get into the controversies in a sec, but it’s full on when you really look into it. But, all the research shows that about 30% of your Calories needs to come from a combination of all the Good and Bad Oils, natural.

Jeff: Bad as well?

Matt: Yeah. When I say Bad, it’s just what people think is Bad, things like Saturated Fats that people have always said are Bad, or animal Fats, and they say they’re Bad.

Jeff: Alright, well let’s get into that in a minute.

Matt: The Bad stuff is Trans Fats, hydrogenated Fats.

Jeff: Yeah, and they’re adulterated, aren’t they?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Are they almost like Free Radicals, Matt?

Matt: Oh, they’re just weird. What’s an example? When you get an Unsaturated Fat, like a Vegetable Oil, that’s pretty hard to spread on your bread, so what they do is they go through a chemical process to Hydrogenate that liquid Oil to make it go solid, and then it’s called a Trans Fat. But, they’ve chemically modified a Natural Oil to be something else, so when it goes into your body your body doesn’t exactly know how to use it. So, that stuff is just weird, it just contributes to Hardening of the Arteries, Cancers, and it does trigger Oxidative Stress Reactions, but also it’s not useful to be incorporated into Cell Structures, but it will take place in that process, and cause Cell Structures to be made badly and that sort of stuff.

Jeff: Wow! So, avoid that sort of stuff.

Matt: Oh Man, Trans Fats, Hydrogenated Fats are the bad stuff.

Jeff: So, that’s like margarines?

Matt: So, deep frying—you can either do it through a chemical process, which they do with things like Margarines, or that’s what happens when you deep fry stuff and everything like that, that’s when you overheat it and you damage it and it goes past good into a weird place that Nature couldn’t normally do, and we wouldn’t normally consume that.

Jeff: Again, coming back to Zyban, or Zolitol, a friend of mine took so much of it, Zyban I think it was, that she ended up with a leaky anus.

Matt: That’s what I was going to say. No, that’s not what I was about to say at all, that your friend had a leaking anus.

Jeff: But, that’s pretty full on.

Matt: Yeah, it’s just like butter, because what happens it soaks all the Fat and then it goes straight through with all the Fat Soluble Vitamins, butter arse. You can’t ride a bike, you just slip off everything, you can’t even sit.

Jeff: No. But, anyway I thought that was a very extreme—and, that’s the problem about extreme things. But, we know that it strips out all the Fat Soluble Vitamins, they clump together because they’re positively charged or what have you.

Matt: So, what people typically do is they cut their Calories from Fat, try to eat healthy and that sort of stuff, and who knows what that is from one person to the next.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So, they cut their Calories down and they strip out the Fat. Now, I mentioned at the start that these things are essential to life. So, if you’re not having adequate Fat coming in what has to happen is, your body has to try it’s best to make some. It can’t make all of the Essential Fatty Acids, your body’s not capable of making all the beautiful Omega 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, all those sorts of things, it’s not capable of making all of those. What it is capable of doing is making Palmitic Acid which is a precursor to things like Cholesterol.

So, what happens is, if you do not eat enough Fat during the day, or if you’ve eaten enough Fat and then stripped it out with something stupid, then your body, when you’re asleep at night must try to make some Fat to keep you going.

Jeff: How does it make Fat?

Matt: What it does is, it makes this stuff called Palmitic Acid which is like 100% Saturated Fat, and that’s what causes Hardening in the Arteries, and that’s what causes all this horrible stuff. If you think about it, the worst Animal Fat is probably about 80% Saturated. So, you’d be better off making 30% of your Calories coming from pork lard than allowing your body to compensate and make more at night. The American Heart Association Diet is a Low Fat Diet, less than 10% Calories from Fat, and they’ve been doing it for 50 years before they even studied it.

Jeff: So it was based on assumptions?

Matt: No, no. Well, that would be nice. But, it happens that the American Heart Association Diet is put out by the same people that make Cholesterol Lowering Medication.

Jeff: Nice.

Matt: So, basically, what happens, if your Calories are low you make Palmitic Acid and Cholesterol at night when you’re asleep. If you’ve got adequate Fats coming through a message goes back to your body saying, “You’ve got heaps of Fat, cut back, you don’t need to make anymore,” and then it allows you to Burn the Fat. So, what’s wild about it, if you don’t have the Fat then your body makes Cholesterols and stuff like that.
The studies on the American Heart Association, which you can do, you can go onto PubMed and search American Heart Association Diet and have a look at the results that came out of it where they had cut the Calories back so 10% of the Calories come from Fat—this is totally from memory, so when you Google it you might find different statistics, but from memory, within about a week they had a 30% increase in Triglyceride in the bloodstream, and I think it was within a couple of months or something they had a 10 to30% increase in Cholesterol.

Jeff: Wow!

Matt: So, it’s not funny, and what happens is, these people get put on Cholesterol Lowering Medication and given this Diet and told, “You’re stuck on this medication forever because if you ever come off it your Cholesterol is going to go through the roof.”

Jeff: It’s just backwards, isn’t it?

Matt: Yeah Man, it is, it is.

Jeff: That’s not the first time, I was reading something on Sunscreens very similar with cancers and stuff like that as well, too.

Matt: Well, even Vitamin D, that Fat Soluble Vitamin comes from sunlight.

Jeff: Well, not only that, they were studying people with Carcinomas and Melanomas and they were finding that people, before they actually got diagnosed with it, found that they had less severe and they lived longer if they had exposure to sunlight. Which, is interesting because that’s where you get Vitamin D which is a powerful…

Matt: Anti-Cancer.

Jeff: Anyway, that’s a topic for another day. It’s just amazing though how many times these quacks get it completely wrong.

Matt: Oh Mate.

Jeff: And, we know there are quacks everywhere, whether it be in Natural Medicine or in Mainstream Medicine.

Matt: Yeah, or electricians or tradies, everywhere. So, basically, with the Oils the Essential Fatty Acids we need to consume them, and you want a big variety, and you want them as close to Nature as possible and you don’t want to be screwing with them too much; the more you screw with them in regards to screwing around with their chemical structure and their chemical makeup it starts getting confusing in the body. And, we do need variety, we need all forms of different Oils; we need them in their Phospholipid form, and we need them in their Triglyceride form—you’re doing that funny look?

Jeff: What’s a Phospholipid form?

Matt: You know, people debate, “What’s better, Krill or Fish Oil?”

Jeff: No.

Matt: You know, “You have a little bit of Krill Oil and it’s amazing compared to a heap of Fish Oil”? Krill is an Algae, their Omega 3 Oil is in their Cell Wall, it’s in the Phospholipid form. Our body has Phospholipid form of Omega 3 Oil in our Cell Walls. So, what their argument is, when we eat Fish Oil which provides us with EPA, DHA, Triglycerides into our bloodstream, that can then get converted to a Phospholipid form of Omega 3 when our body incorporates it into a Cell Wall. So, the Krill people are saying, “Well, ours is already in that Cell Wall form, so that’s so much stronger than the Fish Oil form because theirs still has to go through the bloodstream and convert to Phospholipid form, so ours is better and superior.” Nowhere did they ever listen to their own argument and say, “So, how does our Phospholipid form get delivered through the bloodstream?” Because, the bloodstream carries Triglyceride form to make Phospholipid form.

Jeff: Yeah, good point.

Matt: So, basically what it means is the research on Krill is not really complete, because what ends up happening is often people will digest it, absorb it, utilise it, and it has to be transported in a particular form before it can into Cell Walls. So, you can’t absorb a Cell Wall and then it becomes a cell in your body, you’ve actually got to breakdown the building blocks, transport them to your body to be able to reincorporate it in Phospholipid form into the Cell Wall. The reason I’m mentioning that sort of rubbish is because anyone that makes these big grand claims—it depends on what you’re eating, it depends on what you want, and it all boils down to the same bloody thing, Nature is smarter than all of us. Try to get back to Nature and go as close to the way that Nature provides as possible, don’t try to be too clever.

Jeff: And, eat all the whales out of their own food!

Matt: Exactly. And, then understand how to manipulate the synergistic active ingredients, which is like, how to make a good recipe.

Jeff: Mm. Alright, so Saturated Fat and Non-Saturated Fat? This is something, Matt, where I’m expecting some relatively complicated thing here, but basically, you’re just saying most of the time whether it’s liquid or it’s…

Matt: When isolated to its single component it will be the Saturated, but when it’s blended and that sort of stuff it can be squishy. But, when you have a look at something that’s supposed to be 100% Unsaturated Vegetable Oil and it’s solid, it’s no longer what they started with, they’ve manipulated it to an unrecognisable form.

Jeff: Yeah. So, healthy Fats then, Matt? Obviously, people hear about Omega 3 all the time.

Matt: Omega 3, we do hear about it all the time.

Jeff: And, what is the deal with Omega 3, Matt? Why is it so important?

Matt: Well, Omega 3 and Omega 6 make a large part of the Oils found in our diet, and the ratios between those two things have been studied a lot.

Jeff: And, they’re out of whack, right?

Matt: Well, they seem to be these days, but it depends who you talk to.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: I’m talking to a lot of body builders and they could easily be the other way, because they’re just not eating a normal diet. But, with Omega 3, and you would have heard of Prostaglandins?

Jeff: Mm.

Matt: So, if you simplify it, there are Prostaglandin 1, 2 & 3; the 2 Series is highly Inflammatory. So, basically, when you have a look at the ratios between Omega 3 and Omega 6—and, the Omega 6 can, potentially, create a highly Inflammatory compound, where Omega 3 only makes Anti-Inflammatory stuff. But, Omega 6 has the ability to make Anti-Inflammatory stuff as well, that’s why we need a little bit of each.

Jeff: Really?

Matt: It’s only if it goes down the wrong pathway.

Jeff: And, Omega 3, from memory, lots of fish and stuff like that, salmon?

Matt: Yeah, Omega 3. So, this is the thing, Linoleic Acid is what makes Omega 3. Linoleic Acid is found in fish and in anything that eats grass and plankton, so you’ll find it in grass fed meat, you’ll find it in dairy, in seafood and cheeses and that sort of things. You’ll also find Linoleic Acid in a lot of nuts and seeds, the Flax, the Mustard Seeds…

Jeff: Soy, that sort of stuff?

Matt: I don’t know about Soy, actually. But, there’s a shit load of Linoleic Acid in those things. Linoleic Acid has to go through a series of Enzymes to form EPA and DHA; EPA and DHA are the most powerful products of that process. So, fish naturally contains EPA and DHA, and that’s why everyone says Fish Oil is better because it’s already EPA, DHA, and then the people also argue and say Vegetable Oil is a major problem because they just do not convert through to EPA and DHA because of various reasons. So, that’s why you get the people arguing aggressively that Fish Oil is the only way to get EPA into the brain, and you get other people arguing that the Vegan way is the right way for everything. They’re both right. EPA and DHA is found in seafood and fish, they’ve converted it through nicely, but Linoleic Acid can be converted to EPA DHA if you support the Cofactors and support the Enzyme System so it converts it through.

So, the funny thing is, those Enzyme Systems are made of things like Magnesium, B Vitamins, Vitamin C, Zinc, so those Deficiencies of things like Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, B6…

Jeff: Gees, we keep coming back to this, don’t we?

Matt: Those Deficiencies will make it hard to convert the Linoleic Acid through to the EPA and DHA. And, then there are other cool things that we’re finding, and that’s why I say, Nature is so much smarter. Turmeric is one of the most effective ways at Up Regulating those Conversion Pathways. So, if you combine Turmeric with Vegetable Oil you’re actually converting the Linoleic Acid through to the EPA DHA to make them just as effective as Fish Oil and that sort of stuff as an Anti-Inflammatory.

Interestingly, when you also see the history of Turmeric through Ayurvedic Medicine and that, they always used to boil it into Ghee and everything. They used to boil Turmeric into Buffalo milk, it was always boiled into an Oil because the Oils help the absorption, but it’s interesting to see the synergies. I always assumed that maybe it was the Oils helping the absorption—that was another assumption I just heard myself say then, and then I think, well maybe it’s not, maybe it’s just through a long time, they’ve gone, “Mate, this is going to make our Oil healthy instead of bad for us.”

Jeff: I’m looking forward to your home remedies podcast, Matt, and we’re going to get into that, because it’s cool. But, a really cool home remedy I was reading about was Turmeric made into a paste, you could either use Coconut Oil or put into raw Milk or…

Matt: Ghee is the best.

Jeff: Yeah, Ghee or that sort of stuff. The person I was reading believed in spiking that with a bit of Black Pepper, Matt, and I know we’ve spoken about that before, they believe it enhances the absorption of the Turmeric as well. They actually boil that up and drink that as a night time—instead of having tea at night they drink that.

Matt: Well, an old Asthma recipe used to be Turmeric boiled into Buffalo milk, and it helps it get to the Mucous Membrane. The Black Pepper inhibits Glucuronidation, which is a Detoxification Process that strips out some of the Turmeric as you’re absorbing it, so it inhibits that and that gets more Turmeric in. It’s no problem unless your priority is to enhance Glucuronidation. So, for example, Glucuronidation is important for Detoxification of Plastics and Estrogens and all that sort of stuff, so it’s just up to you whether you want to inhibit that process to get more Turmeric in to support the health of your Detoxification processes while inhibiting one of the Detoxification processes in the process.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: Whew! What the hell was that? Home remedies are going to be fun.

Jeff: That’s going to be fun.

Matt: Gastronomy for Anatomy.

Jeff: Alright, well we’re going to have to do that.

Matt: Oh Man, it is going to blow your mind if you’re counting Macros for Calories. If you’re directly relating Calories to Macros, Man, you are going to cry in the corner. Hopefully not.

Jeff: No, it’s cool.

Matt: So, what were we talking about? We’re talking about Essential Fatty Acids, Fat Soluble Vitamins are good, don’t get rid of them, they’re great. Essential Fatty Acids you need a little bit of everything. Essential Oils are not Essential Fatty Acids, they’re just essentially cool.

Jeff: Yeah, they are.

Matt: We’ll talk about them a bit in a sec. Saturated is the one they talk about as being Bad, but you need a little bit of everything, so the only time Saturated is really Bad is when it’s totally dodgy, just totally fried, weird, hydrogenated, evil, toxic stuff that no longer resembles anything within a human body, and then the body goes, “Oh bugger it, let’s treat it—and, you know what it does? Imagine the Immune Cells just roaming through your Arteries and they see these Oxidised Cholesterol Molecules that all of a sudden aren’t slippery or the right shape anymore, they’ve got this weird Saturated Fat stuff that’s floating through, you know, like Fat goes all hard?

Jeff: Mm.

Matt: You’ve seen Fat go hard when you cook and you then put the water on it and it goes hard?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Imagine that stuff floating through your Arteries while your Immune Cells are there going, “What the hell is this? I can’t use it; I don’t recognise it. Let’s get rid of it.” And, what your Immune Cell does is it eats it. So, you imagine your Immune Cell gets this Oxidised Fatty Compound that doesn’t resemble anything that it’s ever seen before and nothing a body can use, maybe like a defective Cholesterol Molecule because it’s Oxidised, and they go all higgledy piggledy and spikey; you should see them under a microscope, they go like little puffer fish, weird spikey things. The Immune Cells go up and go, “Man, you look like a foreign particle, you’re not meant to be here,” so the Immune Cells engulf it and then they reverse into the Artery Wall and cover themselves with Calcium so that no one can find whatever this thing is. Then, what happens, that makes a little bump on the Artery Wall and those bumps have things called Adhesion Molecules, and what happens this other bit of Cholesterol is just floating through but it’s not as slippery and lubricated as it should be, it hits this little bump and gets stuck, and the Immune Cells, “What? Look, here’s another one of these things, it’s like an infection,” and engulfs and removes it. They call them Foam Cells, and then they Calcify themselves, and that’s how you get hardening in the Arteries, that’s how you get Plaques.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: That’s all a Plaque is.

Jeff: Avoid that crap then.

Matt: Yeah, get rid of that rubbishy stuff. And, that’s why Antioxidants are so important because if you protect your weird structures from becoming Oxidised then they’re still useful for the body and then the Immune Cell doesn’t have to treat them like a bug.

Jeff: Yeah, it is fascinating.

Matt: It’s fun.

Jeff: Yeah, it is fun. What about some cool Fats, then Matt. Let’s talk about some cool Fats.

Matt: We’ll go through the Omegas. You asked before about Omega 3 and Omega 6. We’re supposed to have our Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio at about two to one and we’d be really healthy.

Jeff: I’ve heard, though, and I don’t know if this is true, Matt, that the Omega 6 ratio is out of whack because of our diet, we’re eating too much processed food, too much meat fed from grains and stuff?

Matt: Yeah. Well, again, back to farming processes and practises. So, Omega 3 comes out of Grass and Plankton, so grass fed Beef, Dairy that’s roaming around eating grass, chickens that are free range and that sort of stuff and the eggs that they make, that’s where all our Omega 3 Oil is supposed to come from. To simplify it, Omega 6 comes out of grass seeds and grains. So, what’s happening, the animals that used to be eating the grass are now eating grain, so they’re loaded up with Omega 6 instead of Omega 3, so when we eat those foods, the same as we always have, instead of getting Omega 3 Oil we’re getting Omega 6 Oil, and so our Omega 6 gets really bad.

Then, if you have a look at the other places we get Omega 6 from are grains, wheat, corn, soya beans, so all of those sorts of things. So, what’s happened over time is our diet has changed, and it’s changed where we’re having more of those processed cereals and grains and less of the butter and the lards and those sorts of things. But, also, the animals that are producing the butter, the eggs, the meat and that sort of stuff, used to be two to one with Omega 6 to Omega 3, and now they’re closer to 40 to one.

Jeff: Wow!

Matt: And, that ratio then when we eat it we get the same.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: So, two things are happening: we’re eating animals that are on grain feedlots, and when we’re not eating animals on grain feedlots we’re on a grain feedlot. So, it’s easy to see why the ratios get knocked out of whack.

Jeff: What’s the problem of having the ratio of three to six?

Matt: The Omega 6 is Inflammatory, and what it does is it holds onto Fat. And, it’s the same reason why farmers actually do it, is because it causes marbling through the meat, so it makes it infiltrate all your meat with Fat and also holds a lot of water, so you get Fluid Retention and you and you get Fat.

Jeff: And, juicy steak.

Matt: Yeah, great export quality, and that sort of stuff. So anyone, if you’re Fat we’ll export you.

Jeff: So, when you’ve got those girls walking along with the juicy on their bum…

Matt: That’s A Grade Rump, that’s export quality Rump that is. But, yeah, you get the marbling though the meat, but you can imagine the marbling through the meat causes Insulin problems, that causes Inflammatory problems, that’s how we get Heart Disease, Diabetes, Cancers and all that.

Jeff: What about Omega 9, we don’t talk much about nine?

Matt: No, and it’s funny because we eat a lot of it. Omega 9 is very powerful, it’s a very good Anti-Inflammatory. Oleic Acid is an Omega 9, Erucic Acid is Omega 9, so Olive Oil, Rape, so Canola Oil.

Jeff: Rape?

Matt: I just say Rape now whenever I think of Canola, yeah. So, Omega 9 is Oleic Acid which comes out of things like Olive Oil, and Erucic Acid which comes out of Canola and Mustard Seed Oils and that sort of thing. You eat a fair bit of it, we get plenty of Omega 9.

Jeff: Cool.

Matt: So, Omega 5, have you ever heard of that one?

Jeff: Well I have, but only because you’ve told me, but I forget what it is.

Matt: Yeah, I get excited about these things. Five is cool, Omega 5 is the best Fat Burner. Omega 5 helps to strip Fat out of the body and convert it to Energy.

Jeff: Wow! So, what do we get Omega 5 from? Is there much that we eat in our diet where we can get it or is it something that’s a bit exotic now, Matt?

Matt: No, it’s in a lot of Seeds, so you get a lot out of Seed Oils and that sort of stuff, a lot of Citrus Seed Extracts and that, you find it in a lot of those sorts of things. It’s why Pomegranate is so amazing as well, it’s a very powerful component in Pomegranate juices but you’ve got to get the pulp and everything, you’ve got to get the juicy pulp if you want to get it because it’s an Oil, so you can imagine how much is going to be going to be in a juice.

Jeff: Pomegranates are a pain in the arse to eat, you’ve got all the seeds and all the rest of it that you have to deal with.

Matt: Yeah, but do you see how you eat those seeds when you eat a whole Pomegranate?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: But, you don’t if you get Pomegranate Juice.

Jeff: That’s right.

Matt: So, that’s why you should eat the Pomegranate.

Jeff: But, even Pomegranate Juice has been shown to be good.

Matt: Yeah, as an Antioxidant.

Jeff: Do you know the Egyptians used to worship, effectively revere the Pomegranate? It was so revered in their culture as being medicine as well, too, which is powerful.

Matt: Yeah, right.

Jeff: But, I’ve heard, and again I don’t know if you can confirm this or not, but incredibly powerful for people with Blood Pressure, with Arterial Plaque and all that sort of stuff; absolutely amazing properties.

Matt: It’s one of the best Antioxidants you can find. It’s five to 10 times stronger, per gram, as an Antioxidant as Grapeseed Extract.

Jeff: Wow!

Matt: I think it’s about 10 times stronger, these numbers are escaping me today, but it’s about five to 10 times. And, the Punicic Acid is the compound.

Jeff: You know the coolest things, Matt.

Matt: Well, the funny way I remember these things, they’re puny. So, the Punicic Acid, but it’s a Conjugated Linoleic Acid. So, you know CLA?

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: CLA is a Conjugated Linoleic Acid, so CLA is a Conjugated Omega 3 Oil. So, what they’ve got varieties of Omega 3 Oils joined together, conjugated. So, it’s a Conjugated Linoleic Acid, but they just standardise it to be a certain combination of compounds. The Punicic Acid, the Omega 5, is a Conjugated Linolenic Acid, so it’s a Conjugated Omega 6 version of CLA. So, it’s cool, eh?

Jeff: Wow!

Matt: So, CLA that we know is a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory like an Omega 3, it’s like a super Omega 3.

Jeff: Yeah, well we should spend a bit of time talking about CLA.

Matt: Yeah. And, CLNA, so Conjugated Linolenic Acid is very similar, through the Omega 6, and again you need the balance. So, everything is about balance. So, that Omega 5 is a Conjugated Linolenic Acid also known as Punicic Acid, a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory. For people out there, it actually works through PPAR Gamma Activation.

There’s a whole school of medicine that revolves around PPAR Gamma Activation to protect against Inflammation, Cardiovascular Disease, Insulin Resistance and all of those things. What’s really cool about it, with the Omega 5, like I said is a Conjugated version of Omega 6, and this is where it all gets a bit confusing.

Jeff: Yeah, I’m trying to keep up.

Matt: Man, it’s heavy without diagrams. Omega 6; you know how I said Omega 6 can be good or bad?

Jeff: Yes.

Matt: So, Omega 6 can make an Anti-Inflammatory Prostaglandin, or it can be converted to Arachidonic Acid, which is bad, and converts to Inflammation; Arachidonic Acid is highly Inflammatory. So when we take an Omega 6 Oil we’re having a bit of a gamble of whether it’s going to form Arachidonic Acid or not, and there are various reasons why we’re forming Arachidonic Acid. But, this Omega 5 Oil, Punicic Acid blocks the conversion of Omega 6 Oil through to Arachidonic Acid, and that’s how it acts as an Anti-Inflammatory, which means, if you think about it…

Jeff: At a 40 to one ratio.

Matt: Everyone’s going, “Omega 6 is terrible because it’s making us crook, because it goes to Arachidonic Acid, it causes marbling to our meat, Heart Disease, Diabetes, and all that stuff, and Cancer,” but if we used it in conjunction with other dietary Oils like Omega 5 it actually stops Omega 6 from going Bad. Here are these people saying, “Omega 3, vegetable, Omega 3 is rubbish, it doesn’t work,” but if you combine it with another spice like Turmeric then it does work. And, if you don’t have Nutrient Deficiencies in those other Enzymes then it does work.

Jeff: I can feel a product coming on, Matt.

Matt: Yeah, well we haven’t worked it all out yet.

Jeff: No.

Matt: So, then if you have a look at Omega 7…

Jeff: Yeah, well that’s another thing, I’d never heard of Omega 7 until you told me.

Matt: Omega 7 I’ve always used in my Naturopath Clinic. It’s very good for Dry Skin, Dry Hair, a really good cosmetic product and that, as well. It works on the little Microcapillaries that go to Mucous Membranes, which also makes it good for things like Stomach Ulcers and Vaginal Dryness, and really Dry Skin or Poor Capillaries and that sort of thing. You find a fair bit of it in cosmetics.

Jeff: Do they absorb through the skin, Matt?

Matt: Yeah, bloody good. Sea Buckthorn Oil, for example, that’s a good Omega 7.

Jeff: Yeah, I have heard of Sea Buckthorn.

Matt: But, no one mentions Omega 7, I think it’s really strange, everyone is talking about Omega 3 and 6. So, if it’s not one of those two—now Omega 9 people know about because of the people who invested into Emus and Ostriches.

Jeff: Is that 9 is it? Is it Mutton Bird Oil as well?

Matt: Yeah, all those weird things.

Jeff: Oh, that sounds disgusting that stuff. Google that.

Matt: Yuk. Oh, Google Palm Oil if you want to have a cry.

Jeff: Well, let’s have a talk about…

Matt: Hang on. Omega 7 is known as Palmitoleic Acid, so it’s a Palmitol form of Oleic Acid, and you find that in things like Macadamia Nuts, and Sea Buckthorn Oil and that sort of stuff; a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory. But, what it does is it’s also the most powerful one for Insulin Sensitivity, so it stops Insulin Resistance. There’s a lot of research coming out for Metabolic Syndrome and all that, as well.
Jeff: So, have you incorporated—I mean Sea Buckthorn is probably a bit exotic, but Macadamias, if you incorporated more Macadamias into your diet and things like that.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: And, you can even buy straight Macadamia Oil.

Matt: Yeah, and that’s why you just want variety, just keep mixing around. Because, I’m listing off all these things, you want variety. Don’t confuse Omega 7, because there are sneaky people out there that rely on spellcheck and things like that to confuse us when we’re researching Palmitoleic Acid is Omega 7. What I was talking about before about Hardening of the Arteries and Palmitic Acid; they’re very similar compounds.
Palmitic Acid is that thick greasy goo, the Saturated Fat they squeeze out of Palm Oil, that goes pretty much straight to Heart Disease. What they try to do now is they process the Palm Oil and just extract the MCTs and try to get rid of the Palmitic Acid. You know when you get Coconut Oil and it sits there and it gets those bubble blobs in it, like some is liquid and some goes solid?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: The Palmitic Acid goes solid, the Caprylic Acid and that will stay more liquid. So, basically, the Palmitic Acid is just Toxic goo.

Jeff: Right, so you should just scoop that out?

Matt: Yeah, well it depends what you’re after. So yeah, Omega 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 it’s hard to go through and say we need a 2 to 1 ration now.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly.

Matt: So, what we need is variety, and Nature is smarter than us so…

Jeff: Again, it comes back to, let food be thy medicine and variety.

Matt: Variety, and mix it around, shake it up.

Jeff: Nuts and Seeds and things.

Matt: So, what did you want to know about CLA?

Jeff: CLA and Palm Oil, let’s talk about that.

Matt: I love CLA—Palm Oil?

Jeff: Well, let’s talk about CLA first.

Matt: Oh no, let’s talk about Palm Oil first.

Jeff: Okay, so MCT.

Matt: Don’t touch Palm Oil because you’re going to kill the Orangutans and you’re going to get loaded up with Toxic crappy chemical horrible stuff, plus most of the Palm Oil when they transport it—they go through, they kill all the Orangutans and all that sort of stuff, then they squeeze whatever Oil out of the Orangutan corpses they can, and then they soak that into the Palm Oil. Then, what they do is they package it—a lot of this stuff may or may not be true. But, this bit is true, they then package the Palm Oil into big plastic drums which they then transport it in sucking all of those petrochemicals and plastics into the Palm Oil. And, did I mention they kill Orangutans?

Jeff: Yeah, that’s right. So, basically, Palm Oil, if you buy it you’re an evil bastard.

Matt: According to me.

Jeff: Well no, I agree with you, Matt.

Matt: Have you smelt it?

Jeff: Well, Matt we did a taste test. Matt and I were looking at some MCTs lately and he gave me one, and I’m not going to mention, and I can’t even remember, one that you got that was beautiful…

Matt: Yeah, it probably wiped your memory—oh, no the good one was good.

Jeff: No, the good one was great. The second one, wow! Do you know what it tasted like? It tasted like a petrochemical to me, it was amazing.

Matt: Yeah, well that’s what it was, because it was in a water bottle, a cheap shitty water bottle in the sun.

Jeff: Yeah, it was horrible. So, not only are you going to kill Orangutans you’re probably going to kill yourself.

Matt: Oh yeah, but it’s slow. You’d kill the Orangutans quick and you’d kill yourself too slow. So, if you’re one of those people out there who kill Orangutans kill yourself faster.

Jeff: So, if you want MCT, which a lot of people use in their diet, go for the bloody Coconut, don’t touch anything with Palm Oil in it.

Matt: Bloody oath, and go for environmentally friendly, sustainable and all that sort of stuff, support a community.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly. That’s a good idea.

Matt: That got Palm Oil out of the way.

Jeff: So, while we’re talking about Palm Oil, let’s talk about MCT and why people are chasing it.

Matt: MCT, Medium Chain Triglycerides. Basically, they’re very easily used as a source of Energy for the body, so they don’t get stored as Fat or converted through to Cholesterols and all that sort of stuff.

Jeff: There are some pretty big statements, Matt, that come out, which are like, “If you have MCT your body has to use it as Energy, it cannot be stored as Fat.” Is that too broad sweeping?

Matt: I don’t know if I’ve seen that.

Jeff: Maybe it’s marketing.

Matt: Yeah, maybe a brochure you’re reading. But, it’s like anything, if your Energy is going to be converted from different forms; just because you’re given extra doesn’t mean you’re just going to…

Jeff: Okay, we’ll accept the fact that it is more difficult…

Matt: It’s easier to Burn, it’s harder to store. It’s very good for a lot of other factors like looking at Insulin, controlling the way the Liver works, a very powerful Hepatothermic.

Jeff: What’s that, Matt?

Matt: Well, Hepato for the Liver, and Thermogenesis for the generation of heat from the conversion of Fat to Heat Energy. So, the Liver is the one that’s capable of converting a lot of the Blood Triglycerides through to Energy.

Jeff: I know a lot of people that are on Ketogenic Diets, Aitkens Diets, will utilise MCT to get their body into Ketosis and get their body utilising Fat for…

Matt: Yeah, to Up Regulate Pathways, which is fine. If you throw in a lot of Fat it tells your body there’s Fat coming in, so you Burn Fat as your Primary Source of Fuel. Sugar is always a priority; Sugar will always take priority over Fat. This is the problem. When people go to a relatively High Fat Diet or they try and incorporate all these good Oils, if you’re also eating a lot of Sugar or if you’re throwing it in with sweeteners that cause an exaggerated Insulin response, the Insulin Secretion will tell your body you’re not allowed to Burn that Fat, “There’s Sugar here,” and then it will store that.

Jeff: Then it shuts down the pathway, doesn’t it?

Matt: Yeah, it shuts down the utilisation of that Fat as a source of Energy and tells your body to store it because Sugar is the first priority. And, if the Sugar is not there because it’s a sweetener that process still happens, it’s just a hurdle it’s got to overcome before you get back into Burning Fat. So, Insulin comes in and says, “Hey, there’s Sugar coming, switch off Fat Burning,” the body says, “Okay. Hey, where’s this Sugar you promised me? It’s not coming,” “Okay, we’ll go back into Fat Burning.” But, it’s just an extra hurdle that you don’t really need.

Jeff: And, talking about good healthy Diets and utilising Fruits in your Diet as well too. Post training, obviously after you’ve done a workout, when your body is looking for Glycogen…

Matt: Yeah, well when you’re Glycogen Depleted you don’t get the Insulin spike because the GLUT4 Pathways suck it through, you don’t need the Insulin to get the Sugar into the Muscles. Also, when you’re Glycogen Depleted you’re not Resistant to Insulin.

Jeff: So, can you then have Fruit, Matt? You’d still want to avoid too much Fat at the same time, though, wouldn’t you?

Matt: Well, this is the problem. If you’re combining High Fat with High Sugar, then…

Jeff: Be it refined or from Fruit or what have you.

Matt: Yeah, it then causes a problem because of the Insulin and Glucagon Ratio.

Jeff: What’s Glucagon?

Matt: Insulin is a chemical that comes out in response to Sugar, it tells our body, “There’s Sugar here,” and it creates a cascade of events to prepare the body to Burn Sugar or do stuff with Sugar. Glucagon does the same thing but for Protein, and Glucagon basically comes out and says, “We’re not Burning Sugar, we’ve had a big surge of Protein and probably Fat coming in, and we’re going to focus on Fat Burning.”

Jeff: How can you Up Regulate your Glucagon? Because, if you could do that…

Matt: Yeah, by eating Proteins and Fats, but it’s all to do with Ratios. So, if your Protein is sweetened it doesn’t matter if there’s no Carbs in it because of the Insulin Glucagon ratios.

Jeff: And also, obviously, if your Protein is too High, if you don’t get your Fats high enough and the body through Gluconeogenesis could convert some of the Protein and use that anyway?

Matt: Yeah. Wild eh?

Jeff: It is cool. Alright, so CLA?

Matt: Yeah, CLA. It’s a Conjugated Linoleic Acid, so it’s a Conjugated form of the Omega 3 Oils, it’s a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory. The research on it, I love it, I’ve been using CLA in my Clinic for years. I originally started using it for Asthma, a very good Anti-Inflammatory for Mucous Membranes, so I used to use it for Asthma, Inflammatory Bowel Disease, Crohn’s Disease, Ulcerative Colitis, a lot of those sorts of things. When I started working with a lot of athletes, and in particular, some of the Australian Swim Team, a lot of those guys would get stressed and all of a sudden start getting colds and flus leading up to their big events, and we used CLA in those guys because there was some early research showing that CLA has the ability to stop the negative effects of Cortisol on the Immune Suppression. So, Cortisol which is our Stress or Over Training Hormone suppresses the Immune System, it breaks down Muscle and preserves Fat. There is research to show that CLA screws around with the way Cortisol works in the body. So, it’s so bloody hard to control your Cortisol release, and especially with an athlete or someone that’s motivated and training hard, they’re going to have high Cortisol. So, we’re not going to try to suppress your Cortisol, your natural body defence mechanisms, what we’re going to do is protect the host, which is you, from your own defence mechanisms by using stuff like CLA that protects you from the elevated levels of Cortisol.

That’s why, using CLA in conjunction with a Pre Workout is cool, because you can’t stop a big Cortisol surge when you’ve had a heap of Caffeine. But, even if you haven’t had the Pre Workout stimulants, if you’re just one of those guys that train hard, or you’re going for PBs, or you just listen to certain music that fires you up, whatever, you’re going to have Cortisol with it. So, by using CLA Pre Workout, protects your body from that Cortisol. That’s why all the research on CLA shows it helps to build Fat Free Mass, because it helps to build and preserve Muscle; it doesn’t build Muscle it preserves Muscle, stops the Muscle breakdown.

Jeff: So, therefore, your body is going to more preferentially utilise Fat?

Matt: Exactly.

Jeff: But, also Matt, I’ve heard, and I don’t know if this is true, that it’s very good to take, especially for guys if you do seem to have and overabundance of Fat on your Gut. Now, from what I understand about Cortisol as well, too…

Matt: Exactly, it holds Visceral Fat. Yeah, so CLA is very good for your Fat Gut. Go take that.

Jeff: Yeah. Thanks Matt.

Matt: I’m the Fat one here, what are you talking about? Oh, you Princess. We’ll get back to your hair and your Carbs.

Jeff: There’s no hope. But, CLA is a really cool product for that, so hopefully smack that into your diet.

Matt: And, Mate, the other thing that bugs the hell out of me—now that we’ve got the internet and everyone’s out there Googling or doing their PubMed searching and that…

Jeff: Google Guru, Matt.

Matt: No, but the funny thing is, these guys that bag Google, “I can’t believe you’re Googling it. I do a PubMed search,” it’s the same thing, Mate. Your PubMed search is the same bloody thing.

Jeff: Well most of them are advertising brochures anyway.

Matt: Exactly. I know. White papers are brochures. But, the raw material suppliers know that it is the consumer that drives the market. If they can trick a whole heap of these Facebook idiots on to searching through medical journals to find studies on trademarked ingredients, that they go looking for that trademark ingredient, then the demand leads to this product being used. It’s a brochure, Mate. It’s a marketing—it’s not showing you anything.

Jeff: Maybe 20 years ago a white paper had validity.

Matt: Remember that CLA…

Jeff: Hang on, let me put in a disclaimer. Not that they don’t now, and there are some genuine people out there doing great things…

Matt: Oh, when we’re publishing stuff it will be fair dinkum.

Jeff: Of course. But, you’re right, Matt, there are a lot of companies now that understand this is what’s…

Matt: The reason I’m saying this is because what happens is, what these companies are doing is they’re designing terribly bad trials purely to get a quote in a conclusion line. For example; the reason I’m saying it in regards to CLA is, Conjugated Linoleic Acid is a natural compound found in things like Safflower Oil. So, the people that were making CLA all of a sudden started getting a bit of competition from these companies that have been pumping out Safflower Oil very cheap compared to a gourmet trademarked version of CLA with all these white paper trials behind them. So, what happened, the CLA guys were losing a lot of sales to the Safflower Oil people. Safflower Oil is 75% CLA, or around about. But, you can get different types of Safflower Oil. You can either get a higher Linoleic Safflower Oil, which contains about 70 to 75% CLA naturally, the best form. Or, you can get a high Oleic Acid form, remember I said—quiz time, Jeff, Oleic Acid is?

Jeff: Uhm, Omega 7?

Matt: No. It’s alright, I was actually counting my fingers. So yeah, Omega 9. So, basically, you can get either an Omega 3 version of Safflower or an Omega 9 version of Safflower. The Omega 3 version of Safflower Oil contains about 75% CLA. Guess what? It does what CLA does.

So, what these studies are cracking up about is the Safflower companies are coming out saying, “Hey, we’ve got CLA plus all of the Cofactors, our Safflower Oil is actually better than a synthetically processed, refined, made up, version of CLA.” So, the CLA companies said, “We’re going to fight back and publish some research showing that our CLA is so much better than Safflower.” So, what they did, instead of comparing their CLA at a dose to a Safflower at dose they compared their CLA to the High Oleic Acid Safflower that didn’t have any of the CLA in it.

Jeff: Right. A different part?

Matt: A different part. And, then went and said, “Okay, so here’s the evidence to show that CLA works but Safflower Oil doesn’t.” Because, if you get a High Oleic Acid Safflower Oil you may as well be using Olive Oil, it’s the same thing. So, they try to trick us, you know. But, people reading the study go, “I see what you’ve done here, you’ve actually taken the active ingredient away and you’re comparing this, it may as well be a placebo, and showing that it works better.” Not as much better as it should have, because there is still some Linoleic Acid in it.

Jeff: Well, this is the problem, isn’t it Matt? Even with supplements too. When I used to have the store and you’d have CLAs and some would be extremely expensive, and another one would come through and it would be like twice the amount for half the price, and I’d be like, “Why would anyone ever buy that? You’re just having a lend,” but it was a different part of the plant.

Matt: Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: One that didn’t contain—so, yes, it was Safflower but it didn’t actually have the active components in it.

Matt: Mm.

Jeff: It’s hard. I understand why consumers get confused, Matt.

Matt: I mean that’s why we’re trying to do these podcasts. It’s just hard to get out so much information because there is the actual information we want to give, then there’s the traps to avoid, and then there’s what’s actually happening out in the world. There’s so much. Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Jeff: Well no. Well maybe.

Matt: But then you die.

Jeff: But then you die, exactly.

Matt: Ignorance is bliss and then you die. Man, we’ve got to get those T Shirts made up.

Jeff: Yeah, I think Elsa’s got a few coming out like that with some good sayings.

Matt: Yoohoo!

Jeff: Okay. So, we’ve covered off on CLA. So, CLA is definitely a good thing, add that into your Diet, fantastic. Many of our listeners want to hear some cool Essential Oil stories.

Matt: What sort of a Segway was that? Someone’s got cool Essential Oil stories written down on their pad.

Jeff: Well, you went to the toilet I had to stop and it just got all confusing and I got worried, I panicked.

Matt: I only went for—I just took—I’ve been doing it for years, Man, I’m quick, it’s just like whew.

Jeff: So, tell me some Essential Oil stuff, Matt. Because, they are cool. I mean we’ve got Essential Oils in the PROTOTYPE 8, and that stuff is awesome.

Matt: Yeah. The cool stuff about Essential Oils is how bloody powerful it is. So, with Essential Oils or plant oils—and, these aren’t talking specifically about the Essential Fatty Acids, what we’re actually referring to is weird little components that give fragrance and that sort of stuff in the Oils, very, very low doses, extremely powerful. Essential Oils because you can inhale these compounds it gets through your Blood Brain Barrier, it gets into your Brain and into Nerve Synapses so damn fast that they are just so powerful. I think people underestimate just how powerful they are.

Jeff: Well Vicks Vapour drops; with my son it works wonders.

Matt: Yeah, exactly, and it is purely just Menthol, and that’s actually just taking an aromatic compound out of all sorts of plants and throwing that in in a standardised dose that actually gets into the body. Like you see with the Menthol, they paste it onto the bottom of your feet and it gets in and stops a cough. The same as DRAGONS BREATH, there’s a fair bit of Menthol in DRAGONS BREATH, and when you put the DRAGONS BREATH under the soles of the feet—whenever I get a cough or a cold that’s what I do, I paint it all over my chest but I also do it under the soles of my feet and you can taste it. It’s like Garlic Oil, you can put Garlic Oil under your feet and you’ll taste it on your breath.

Jeff: I’ve heard that, yeah.

Matt: Very powerful. So, with Essential Oils, I just wanted to show there are a couple of little patterns that we use: the Citrus Peel stuff are very powerful Stimulants, directly Stimulate the Sympathetic Nervous System and Adrenaline Receptors. The Citrus Essential Oils hit the same parts of the Brain as Caffeine and the PA Alkaloids and the Amphetamine Compounds and all that sort of stuff, but it doesn’t actually have to go through the Stomach, the Liver, the Adrenals, it goes straight to the Brain and hits that Energetic Arousal Centres. And, the cool thing is, you can use the other Flower ones as an Antidote to that, so you’ve almost got opposite actions. So, you can look at things like Lavender, Camomile, those sort of flowers actually have a Sedating effect, the exact opposite, you can almost use them as an antidote to the Stimulants because that’s how effectively they work, one is an upper and the one you do as a downer.

Jeff: So, all these hippies getting around with these Essential Oil Burners, they’re actually worth something?

Matt: Yeah, but the problem is, you’ve got to look at the Ratios, so you’ve got to look at the Formulas and stuff. The classic way of the world is just to make Balanced Formulas all the time which keep you exactly where you’re at. So, they combine the uppers, the downers, the sliders all into one so you don’t actually get a particular push in any direction, which sucks. But, I use a lot of the Essential Oils with my children and that, they’re very powerful. If you have a look at things like Rosemary Oil and it’s immediate. I was just mucking around and picking up some Rosemary Oil out of the warehouse today, and you know what I’m like, I can’t help myself, but I open stuff and I’m clumsy and all that. So, I walk into the office and everyone’s like, “Oh, that smells so good,” which never happens when I walk into the office, so I’m assuming it was the Rosemary. And, what it does, it’s just so sharp. So, I’ve got all these Essential Oils in my room today and how much Mental Clarity and Focus you get. So, Rosemary is a very powerful Essential Oil that we’ve got in the PROTOTYPE, and it crosses the Blood Brain Barrier at the same rate as it’s crossing through the skin and affecting the nerves and the Muscle, so Rosemary is a very powerful for Memory Enhancer, Concentration Span, and what’s weird about it, you know how I said the Citrus Oils hit the Stimulant bits, the Flower Oils hit the Sedating bit, but the Rosemary Oil hits both and it can actually wake you up without getting you excited, it actually hits Stimulant aspects in your Brain while calming the Adrenals.

Jeff: So, it’s almost a little bit like Theanine in Tea?

Matt: Yeah, you get that Zen. Yeah, you get Mental Clarity and Focus like you would during Meditation.

Jeff: That’s cool.

Matt: Yeah, it’s very cool, and that’s why I love things like Rosemary. But, if you were to look through history some of the Essential Oils have been some of the strongest stuff we’ve ever used. For example; you know the Witches Brew, they talk about witches around their caldron and flying on brooms and stuff?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Where that came from was, what happened, they used to have this thing, there were Wickers or whatever they called themselves, the crazy people doing all that stuff…

Jeff: I think my sister was one.

Matt: Well, shit—let me tell you the story and then you can come back and decide you still want to say your sister is one.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: They used to soak the wood in Essential Oils and shove it up their clacker to give themselves Hallucinations. So, they used to run around with bits of wood between their legs soaked with Essential Oils soaking into those areas with good blood supply and not much in the way, like skin wise, and they would get Hallucinations and think they were flying, and they’d run around cackling and going around having these big ceremonies where they’re dipping this wood in and shoving up their clacker and flying around like a witch Hallucinating on their way to Sabbath.

Jeff: I’ll stand by my statement.

Matt: Yes.

Jeff: She’s not going to listen to this podcast.

Matt: Great way to make friends. Yeah, she won’t be listening to the podcast.

Jeff: No.

Matt: We made a modified version of this thing at home. If you have a look at the old stories of things like Thieves Oil, when they talked about during the Plague and all that. This is the story, and I don’t know how much of that’s true but there will be parts of it that will be, probably. So, during the Plague all the perfumery places were going bust because it wasn’t a thing that people were right into, getting perfumes and stuff, plus the shipping channels were all shut down so they couldn’t import or export. So, what happened, the perfumery people, who were the Essential Oil people had nothing to do, and they had no money, they were going bust. So, they became thieves, they created a Thieves Guild from these perfumery people, and what they were doing was they were using these Essential Oils, covering themselves with the Essential Oils—you’ve seen that Plague Doctor? Google the image of Plague Doctor, it’s the scariest pictures you’ll ever see, they look like a big crow, they’ve got these big long funnels on their nose. What they used to do was load up Essential Oils into these rags and stuff them down the funnel, but all these thieves were covering themselves with Essential Oils and going in and robbing the dead and stealing all the stuff off the dead but not getting sick, not getting the Plague. So, then they got arrested and interviewed and all that, and they spilled the beans that, “We’ve got this oily stuff.”

Jeff: That’s cool.

Matt: Yeah, so that’s the story. But Man, we’ve modified it, and it’s hard to find the original recipe but even we did we’re smarter now, hundreds of years later we know there is some other cool stuff, especially being in Australia, the addition of Tea Tree Oils and that sort of stuff. So, we make our version of Thieves Oil but it’s the best thing on earth.

Jeff: I love it.

Matt: If I’m ever out and about, we’re doing promos and talking to people and that, and you know how you start to get that back of the nose or the throat and you think, “Oh no, I’ve been exposed to something, I’m going to come down with something,” so I just spray this stuff all over my face, and when I come home to my babies I’m spraying my face and my arms, and I sterilise everything that way before I touch them.

Jeff: It’s better than using that alcohol, because a lot of people use this alcohol, right?

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: It’s funny, that can have a lot of negative stuff, not only drying out the skin but even young children get drunk on it.

Matt: Yeah, so we use the Thieves Oil, we add it to our handwashing stuff, or you can add it to shampoos, whatever we want. We make the base oil and we go through it, and Man, it kills everything, it’s brilliant.

Jeff: Cool.

Matt: So, that’s the thing with Essential Oils, you’ve got some really cool stories. I was only asking you before, I wonder with those Frankincense, Myrrh and all that stuff, they’re very powerful Essential Oils. If you look at Frankincense, Myrrh and Gold, the Three Wise Men, that wasn’t their names, that’s what they brought.

Jeff: That’s right.

Matt: But, the Three Wise Men, the Essential Oil Frankincense, also known as Boswellia, is a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory, it gets rid of Aching and Pain and Gut problems and Teething problems and that sort of stuff. The Myrrh is a very powerful Immune Stimulant, great for Sinuses, great for the Throat, Strep Throat, Ears and all that sort of stuff. Colloidal Gold is nice and Sedating and Calming. So, I wonder if I just bring out a gift pack for babies?

Jeff: Yeah, that’s fantastic. I didn’t know about Colloidal Gold, and obviously I always use Colloidal Silver, I use it quite liberally because it’s a natural Anti-Microbial.

Matt: Yeah, a killer.

Jeff: But, the Colloidal Gold.

Matt: Colloidal Gold was always talked about for Arthritis, like Copper and that sort of stuff. You know those Copper Bracelets?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So, Colloidal Gold is the same sort of thing, a very powerful Anti-Inflammatory, but it’s quite Calming and Sedating as well.

Jeff: We were talking last night, we were both having a chat with our wives, and I was looking at Frankincense and Myrrh at the same time that you were.

Matt: Freaky eh?

Jeff: That is strange. I’m looking at it, Matt, because I’ve got some small skin cancers, and I don’t like using normal Western Medicine if I don’t have to.

Matt: Yeah, you’re a great lab rat for me too, you signed a waiver.

Jeff: The Blood Root, you’re not allowed to use Sanguinaria, or something, is it?

Matt: Sanguinaria Canadensis.

Jeff: That’s right. You’re not allowed to use it, but you can on animals, so you can still get some. And, I’m not saying for those that have used it or those who believe in it, I’m not bagging it but there have been some quite negative things happen when people have used it, too much, too liberally.

Matt: So, you’re talking about the Black Salve?

Jeff: Yeah, the Black Salve stuff.

Matt: So, the way they work, they’re just poison.

Jeff: Well, the thing is, I have used it before, before I knew. I had a Cancer on my nose and for those that knew me at the time the thing looked like someone had stoved my nose.

Matt: So, basically, they’re a Poison and the Cells will suck it in and they will die.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: So, if it’s just a couple of layers thin on your skin and it falls off, no problem. If it’s a little tip of an iceberg on your skin and then it roots through into your Bones and into your Sinuses and all that sort of stuff, well that Poison is going to create a hole that’s going to go from the outside environment all the way to inside a Bone or something, and you can get crook.

Jeff: Yeah. And, that’s the thing, but I did use it and the thing wasn’t that deep and it opened up a massive hole in my nose, but then it cleared up and I’ve got no scar on my nose now.

Matt: I’ve got hole in my leg from when I put one on something once.

Jeff: But, again, I understand why Western Medicine is a bit concerned about this. There’s one on the internet where a woman put it all over her nose.

Matt: But, the funny thing is, Western Medicine has got exactly the same tool, Aldara and Peplin are both a similar conceptual sorts of things, but exactly the same side effects, exactly the same way they work, exactly the same everything, it’s just that they’re done through a doctor when someone’s got a big hole that goes inside their body then Hygiene and Sterilisation and monitoring those things happens.

Jeff: Yeah, exactly.

Matt: And, it’s also one of those things where there’s guidance and supervision, and they’re saying, “Okay, do one at a time, don’t cover your whole body, because if you have five or six of these giant masses all over your body getting eaten away releasing poison into your body at once you’re going to get sick.”

Jeff: Well, this is the thing with the Aldara, if I remember the name correctly. It was a tablet that you took and I heard some great success stories but then I’ve heard of people who have gone into Auto Immune—massive blood noses, and people death and dying, and all the rest of it.

Matt: Yeah, and you can get Aldara creams as well that just get rid of the things.

Jeff: Okay.

Matt: I tried the Aldara on my lip. You go to the doctor about these sun cancer things on my lips and they go, “Okay, well here just do the Aldara but whatever you do don’t eat it.”

Jeff: Good luck with that.

Matt: And then they’re putting it on my lip. And, they said, “But, just do it before bed because during the day you’re eating and drinking,” and I said, “Before bed? I’m going to be sleeping. What the hell am I going to be doing with my lip then? I don’t know.”

Jeff: Mm.

Matt: What are you looking at? What do you do to my lip when I’m asleep?

Jeff: Back to Frankincense and Myrrh, the reason I was looking at it, Matt, was that there was a combination of that with Eggplant, which people are using to successfully treat BCCs, is it Basal Carcinoma…

Matt: Basal Cell Carcinoma, yeah.

Jeff: Where it just gradually removes it over time. And, see this is the problem, a friend of mine used the Bloodroot or whatever you call it, and he said it was like 1000 wasps stinging his head, and he had this massive lump came out like a egg on it within a couple of days and it ate the thing out and it cleaned it up, but he’s still got a little scar on his head. But, this is a lot less invasive, it’s very, very easy going, so I’m actually going to give it a try and see what happens.

Matt: Why not? Do a bit of Aubergine?

Jeff: So Matt, we were talking about Frankincense and Myrrh and powerful Oils and that.

Matt: Yeah, that’s it.

Jeff: Okay, I’ve got an announcement.

Matt: Oh really?

Jeff: And, then we’ve got some FAQs. Yeah, I’ve got an announcement.

Elsa has handed me this; so, in March the ATP Project is coming to Melbourne for a live interactive breakfast seminar. Matt and I will be answering a heap of case studies and most importantly you’ll be able to listen to us and see us in person. You can tell that we didn’t write that.

Matt: No.

Jeff: Oh lucky you. So, save the date for Sunday the 20th of March, we’ll be releasing a Register your Interest page this week, and I believe that will be on Facebook, so keep your eye out on our website and social media for more details. By registering your interest you’ll get access to the tickets presale, so make sure you take advantage of that.

Matt: Is it just for The Tribe or is it for everyone?

Jeff: No, it’s for everyone. So, anyone can register, you don’t need to just be a Tribe person.
Okay, so Matt, I’ve got some FAQs. We’ve got a few here, and being the last podcast of the year, because it’s coming up to Christmas…

Matt: Yeah, I want a holiday.

Jeff: We’re going to be away for a week, or for two I think.

Matt: Yeah, two weeks.

Jeff: This is from Martina: “Hi guys, thanks so much for the podcast. I’m so happy that someone is doing this. I really appreciate your honesty. I have a question regarding supplements and their interaction with each other and food. You mention some information about this several times before and there are many different supplements I want to take to enhance my performance and longevity, but I’m simply just not sure what can and cannot be mixed. What is the ideal timing for certain Minerals to be taken, and if there are some food interactions?

At the moment I’m taking Fish Oil, ALPHA VENUS, and T432. I’m about to start taking Zinc, Magnesium, B Vitamin complex, Coenzyme Q10, Red Reishi, and CORT RX.” That’s a lot of supplements. “I’m also considering L-Glutamine and Gingko Biloba. Which of those should be taken with food and which should not? What is the best time to take them during the day, and are there any interactions?”

Matt: Too easy. Throw it here. Yeah, I’ll have a quick look at these and I’ll yell it out.

Jeff: Yeah, cool.

Matt: I’m not writing it down.

Jeff: No, that’s alright. “PS, I’m not sure if there might be an interaction but I am cooking in a cast iron pan and I cook with that every day. Thanks so much for stressing the importance of drinking warm water before meals and sitting down to eat mindfully, my Digestion has been improved significantly since I started with it.”

Matt: Mindfully? That’s perfectly—that’s such a great—Mindfulness.

Jeff: Mm.

Matt: The only thing that can override Mindfulness is actually eating, because when you get into that moment and into that zone, when you are tasting and smelling and fragrance and everything, you are in that very moment, so you don’t have to—there’s a really cool little e-Book available called ‘Is Mindfulness Better than Chocolate’, and the answer is no, chocolate is better. So, what are we talking here?

So, taking Fish Oil? Fish Oil doesn’t matter, so you have that with your meals because it’s an Oil and you want that Oil running down with your food because the Gall Bladder is going to help the absorption of those Oils. So, take your Fish Oil with your meals. If anyone has Fish Oil that repeats on them it’s possibly rancid.

Jeff: Rancid, yeah.

Matt: Otherwise, Lecithin Granules you can buy at the grocery stores and they help to emulsify the Oils so you absorb it better.

Jeff: Or, pop it in the freezer is another option.

Matt: Yeah. ALPHA VENUS is very good for your Digestion and actually a good one to combine with meals as well, so throw that in the meals. The Rosemary in it stimulates Digestion and actually enhances the flow from the Pancreas and the Gall Bladder as well, so throw that in with your meals. And, T432 definitely with meals. So, those three you can take with meals.

Now, depending on the form of Zinc. If it’s a Zinc Picolinate or a Chelated Zinc—with Zinc Picolinate you get really good absorption and doesn’t matter what time of day you have it, Zinc Chelate pretty much the same, you’ll get most of it through, it doesn’t matter whether you’re having it with meals or not.
With the Magnesium, make sure—the Zinc and Magnesium will bind together if one of them is an Oxide or a Sulphate or a Phosphate. So, basically, the best way to do it is to do something like Magnesium Aspartate or a Magnesium Citrate or a Magnesium Chelate and then use a Zinc Picolinate or a Zinc Chelate and they won’t stick together, they get absorbed.

B Vitamins, it doesn’t matter too much, just throw them down with your meals. A certain amount of the B Vitamins will be used in the Digestive process and the rest will be used in the body and the rest you’ll pee straight out.

CoQ10 is an Oil that gets absorbed, and the Oil forms of CoQ10 are better than the water soluble form. Take CoQ10 with your food as well.

Red Reishi is a food, and I don’t care what anyone says. Actually, all it is, the Red Rieshi, CORT RX, all of those things are fine to have with meals, you’ve just got to make sure you’re not using cheap shitty Zinc and Magnesium or they’re just going to stick together and it won’t matter what time of day you have them.
With L-Glutamine, it’s an interesting one. It doesn’t matter what time of day you have L-Glutamine; it’s going to incorporate into your Gut Wall. But, the best time to use L-Glutamine is post workout, so after you’ve trained is when you’ve stripped the Glutamine out of your body and converted it to other Aminos and everything, like growth Hormones or whatever, so throw your Glutamine in post workout and it’s the best time. And, it’s still only going to regenerate your Gut, but it’s best to do it post workout.
Gingko Biloba it doesn’t matter. Take it with meals or take it—the Chinese always say take it half an hour before, the Ayurvedic say take it half an hour before, and I don’t know why but they’ve been doing it for a while. But, they do say that for a lot of Herbs, so it’s up to you. I’ve never seen much difference in my Clinic whether people take it with meals or not. Because, when you get too fussy like saying half an hour before and that sort of stuff people don’t take it.

Jeff: That’s right.

Matt: Well maybe with Gingko do it half an hour before, but if you forget do it with it.

Jeff: Any interaction between any of those things, Matt?

Matt: No, mainly the Magnesium and the Zinc would be a problem if they’re in cheap forms, but just get the gourmet forms and you’ll be right. That’s it.

Jeff: Okay, no worries. Thanks Martina, hopefully that helps, it sounds like you’ve got it covered.
Okay, this one is from Susie: “I suffer from cysts in my chest whilst being on the pill. Is there anything, for example, ALPHA VENUS? That could help this?”

Matt: Yes. Often they call it Fibrocystic Breast Tissue. It’s associated with one of two things, either Estrogen Dominance or Iodine Deficiency. ALPHA VENUS has got both actions; it will top up your Iodine slightly while it strips out the Estrogen. If it doesn’t work quick enough then do what I used to do in my Naturopath Clinic, I would go and buy Iodine Supplements and load up on Iodine. The first trick I was ever taught about 20 years ago to fix this, was you buy Iodine Tincture, Lugol Solution, from the chemist, and paint the soles of your feet bright yellow, and you do that every day until the lumps and cysts disappear, which usually occurs within about three to five days after you do it.

Jeff: Wow!

Matt: So, that’s the old way of doing it but then they stopped telling people that sort of stuff now. Because, it doesn’t fit in with RDI, Recommended Daily Intake of Iodine.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: I mean I’m talking about painting the stuff on your foot, which has got nothing to do with that, but I’m not allowed to say that anyway, now. So, I’m only allowed to say you need the RDI of Iodine which is about 150 micrograms, but we use about 10 times that to fix things.

Jeff: Okay, and as per usual this information…

Matt: Oh yeah, those disclaimer things.

Jeff: So, this is for information purposes only, please consult your healthcare practitioner before you act on any of this advice.

Matt: And, if symptoms persist…

Jeff: Yeah, please take a Panadol. I’m joking. No, we shouldn’t joke around with this stuff.

Matt: No, you shouldn’t.

Jeff: So, please contact your healthcare practitioner, but hopefully Susie that—take that to your healthcare practitioner and see what they say.

This is an unusual one, this is from Adrian: “Does anyone know” and, it’s probably not going to be me Adrian, “So, Matt, do you know what the Salicylate content is in Tonic Water and Dry Ginger Ale? It sounds like Adrian’s got a few Christmas parties and he’s going to be hitting the Gin and Tonic.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Scotch and Dry.

Matt: No, I don’t know. I can’t there being any in the Tonic Water, or negligible amounts. The Ginger Ale might have small amounts depending if there’s any link there to Ginger. But, I don’t know. But, to answer your question, yes, someone will know, but neither of us.

Jeff: Alright, well maybe we can get Elsa to have a look.

Matt: We’ll have a look. It’s going to bug us if we don’t know.

Jeff: Alright Adrian.

This one is from Jess: “Hi, I’ve just come across your podcast, very interesting. I’m asking for your help and advice in regards to me always being ill. I’ve had a bad run with health for a few years including Glandular Fever, Anxiety, Endometriosis, every cough and flue and virus, and now problems with my Gall Bladder as well as suffering Seizure activity. It seems every time I get over one thing it’s not long before the next one takes over.

About four months ago I decided to take more Zotrole—I’m not sure what that is, Matt—and changed my diet and added in exercise four times a week. This seemed to be going great, I had more energy, lost weight, and mentally felt a lot happier. Then I started having abdominal pain but tests found nothing, they rarely do. Then the doctor and I did a food diary and has put it down to sludge or small stones in my Gall Bladder. Advised a fresh green diet and see how it goes.

What can I be doing or taking to improve my overall health? I feel I have tried everything, I don’t smoke, drink alcohol. Thanks, Jess.”

Jeff: Alright Matt.

Matt: Well Jess…

Jeff: For a start it seems like she’s been through the wars.

Matt: Yeah, it sucks eh? And, it’s interesting when you see things like this where you get relatively big things all over the body, and we’ve got to try and find a link in between them. And, what’s interesting, sometimes things like Gall Stones are the last things to appear, but they are also one of the definite signs of something. So, what’s interesting is, you know what makes Bile is Detoxification, so Bile is made and it goes into the Gall Bladder, the Gall Bladder’s job is to concentrate that Bile and when you have Fatty Foods squirt it out.

If the Bile is not made properly then some part of it will precipitate out a solution and make the stones or a sludge or a slurry, or something like that, a slush puppy sort of texture and that makes you feel really sick. But, it tells us that the Liver is not creating Bile properly, which means there is probably a defect or a polymorphism in the Detoxification Pathways, because you’re making too much of one and not enough of the other ingredient which means something is coming out making stones.

The most common causes of Gall Stones are defects with Methylation, Sulphation, and Glycation.

Jeff: Well there you go.

Matt: But, what’s interesting is both Methylation and Sulphation are very heavily linked in with Endometriosis and Seizure activity.

Jeff: There you go. Jess has got both of those.

Matt: Yeah. In particular, Sulphation, which links into B6 and N-Acetyl Cysteine and those sorts of things for the ability to Sulphate Toxins, create them into Bile and eliminate them out. So, I would be looking towards Detoxification Pathways that link in with that. So, it’s harder to measure—like, for Methylation you measure markers like Homocysteine, and you can measure the Methylation Gene, but there is some genetic testing you can do that can link in to see if you’ve got a genetic potential for defects with Sulphation. So, I’m not sure how to deal with this one immediately, but the key is to try to work out which one of these pathways—or, if you can’t work out which one, you kind of support them and see how many of these things disappear.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: Interestingly, the Epstein Bar Virus—did you say Epstein Bar Virus?

Jeff: No, Jess has had Glandular Fever.

Matt: So, that’s Epstein Bar Virus, Glandular Fever. That’s a bizarre little Virus that lives inside your body, actually inside your Immune Cells, and when you become overwhelmed and exhausted and that the little bugger pops out again. But, in the meantime what it does, is it constantly makes you Inflamed and more Allergic, and suppresses your Immune System defence against Viruses, that’s how it lives inside you for so long.

Jeff: Hence, every cough, flu and Virus going around?

Matt: Exactly. And the thing is, Epstein Bar Virus makes you feel lousy, so if you combine that, that came into your system at some stage—it’s got to be something to do with Methylation and Sulphation, it could even be Kryptopyrrole, so you’d measure things like Homocysteine, you’d measure Mauve Factor, which are your Kryptopyrroles, you’d measure Zinc levels in the serum to see if that’s been stripped out, and we’d have to look at supplementing with things like Activated Folic Acid, B12, B6. So, if you came into my Clinic and I didn’t know what to do, and while I’m waiting for the testing and while we’re investigating, I would put you on the ALPHA VENUS to strip out the dodgy Estrogen, I would load up on Vitamin B6, B12, Folic Acid, Zinc and I’d throw in things like N-Acetyl Cysteine, 500 milligrams a day of N-Acetyl Cysteine, and see how many of those things disappear, and then you have to throw it in with a bit of Magnesium and Taurine because that works in with the Zinc and the B6 to get the Enzymes that control the Seizures.

It’s possible that you’ve got just a Detoxification Polymorphism but the end result is you’ve stripped out all this stuff and that’s resulted in Seizures.

Jeff: So, Matt, you’ve mentioned there are a few tests that Jess can go back to her doctor and ask to get performed that might help.

Matt: Yeah. Well, we’ll have to give Elsa a list or something, we might have to do an email one and try to write these things down. It’s going to require a bit of supervision through it, so you just want to find someone that knows what they’re doing that can help you work through there. Like, I do a one off consult every once in a while and then I can’t give them any service and I just make things worse.

Jeff: And, this is the thing. With that, Matt, for someone to see you all the way through it’s that holding the hand, it’s that time, it’s that care, that focus all the time, whereas…

Matt: It’s just the tinkering and the tweaking, yeah.

Jeff: And, I think this is a good place for Jess to start, so she can go and talk to her doctor, trial these things in the meantime, they’re not going to do any harm and she can talk to her doctor about some of those tests if they might be able to isolate some of these causes and then go from there.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: There you go, Jess. We’ll send through an email, I’ll get Elsa to send through an email to you outlining what Matt said there, and what tests to go for.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Right. Mattie: “Hi Jeff and Matt. Firstly, I have just started listening to your podcasts after hearing about how amazing your products were. Before I knew it I bought an ALPHA VENUS, SUBCUT, BLOCK E3, T432 PLUS. Can’t wait to for them to come in the mail.

Matt: It’s a trap.

Jeff: “And, thanks for your amazing podcast. I have started to eliminate Xenoestrogens from my life. My question is this: my body type typically tells me, from my research I’m Estrogen Dominant and I don’t Metabolise the bad types well. I hold a high majority of Body Fat in my Legs, my Glutes, my Hips, and stay relatively lean elsewhere. But, I have just begun to question why I hold very stubborn Fat around my Knees. Research from another source suggests it is from not producing enough Growth Hormone. Will using all the products I just bought help this and hopefully begin to reduce this region as well as my Legs and Glutes?
What can I do to help this? Sorry for the novel, but your podcasts have really inspired me to make changes and I know that I’m not just stuck with it. Keep up the epic podcasts, I really think you’re changing lives with knowledge. Love it, Mattie.”

It’s interesting.

Matt: Yeah, it is interesting. So, basically, you’ve got the right stuff for the Estrogen Dominance, the only thing I would probably stack into that, that we can’t provide you with at this stage, is the Multivitamin with the Folate and B12, just to make sure that you’ve got the base foundation Nutrients to make sure it’s going to work. Regarding Fat Knees and the stuff around the joints, it’s a tricky one because what we view as Fat isn’t always Fat, and you can get a lot of Fluid. I don’t know the Growth Hormone bit, that sounds interesting, and it’s going to bug me so I’ll have a look into that as well, because that’s going to annoy me. Because, I do know conditions such as Acromegaly and things like that, but they don’t have crazy big joints, they’ve got some big Bones and that sort of stuff, but not Fat Joints, but I’ll have a look anyway.

The one thing we do with our athletes to make sure their joints look awesome pre Comp is strip out Uric Acid. Uric Acid is a water soluble compound that accumulates around the Joints, contributes to Joint Pain and Swelling, but also it ruins your Muscle Definition for the origins and insertions of your Muscles; small Joints make your Muscles look bigger. So, what we do with our athletes is we load them up with things like Celery Seed and Rosella Tea and that sort of stuff, strip out that Uric Acid and that actually takes the Fluid away from the Joints and they shrink. The other thing too is, if you’ve previously been quite large, like in the Thighs, if you had big Thighs and that, when you drop off some of that weight the skin drops down over around the Knees, and it looks like you’ve got Fat Knees.

Jeff: And, it can tighten up over time?

Matt: Maybe, depending on the person.

Jeff: Alright, so Mattie, that’s a bit of a different one. But, anyway, try that with the Multi.

Matt: Yeah, go Celery Seed and Rosella and throw a Multi in otherwise you’ve got it covered.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: And, I’ll tell you another way to cheat to see if it’s Fluid, you go buy Washing Soda Crystals, throw them in a pillow case, and get the big crystals, the bigger the crystals the better—put them in a pillow case, wrap it around your knee and do it on one knee and watch the difference. Because, the Washing Soda is going to suck the Fluid out of your Knee into the pillow case, and it will do it locally, and if you’ve got a significant change from one Knee to the other then you know it’s mainly Fluid and not Fat.

Jeff: And, if it’s not, if those things don’t work…

Matt: You’re stuffed, chop it off at the hips.

Jeff: Drop us another line, Mattie, and we’ll have another look at it, maybe a bit deeper. Alright, so Mattie, I hope that helps. Let us know how you get on.

This one is from Danni: “Hi guys, love your show; love, love, love it. Don’t know if this question is not too off topic—Now I’m intrigued—but, I would really appreciate your advice. I have got Perioral Dermatitis. How do you say that, Matt?

Matt: I don’t know; you’re reading the bloody thing. Perioral, it’s around his mouth.

Jeff: Gees, I should go back to school. “My doctor told me that it happens to women of my age, and I should not use Fluoride Toothpaste and stay away from heavy creams, and it should go away. I tried that and I stopped using makeup and everything, and it’s been a few months now and it is not going anywhere, and I’ve started to feel desperate. Is there something I can do using natural means to make it better? Can it be Hormonal? Would CORT RX help?

Matt: Get off the Salicylates is the first thing. That’s a classic. Remember when you eat oranges and you get that around you mouth, it goes all Burning and stuff like that?

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Salicylates, it’s a classic sign of that.

Jeff: Is it?

Matt: Yeah. One of the signs of Salicylate Intolerance is that Burning around the Mouth and the Perioral Dermatitis, and that’s a place I always start, and Zinc. So, I load people up on Zinc and get rid of the Salicylates for that, and that’s where I start. Have a look at whatever product you may be using to see if it contains Salicylates.

Jeff: That’s interesting, yeah.

Matt: Because, Salicylates are found in Herbs and Spices, so you go to get something Natural, nice and soothing, and it can often be loaded up with Salicylates, so you can be making it worse with a Natural cream And, that’s the funny thing, sometimes something as Toxic as Vaseline—this is going to sound crazy—if it’s a Salicylate problem you cut out all Fruit and Veg, Nuts and Seeds and anything you think is healthy, and cover your mouth in Vaseline and I reckon it will be gone in a couple of days.

Jeff: Is that right?

Matt: Yeah. Another crack hypothesis.

Jeff: That’s weird. Okay. And, Danni goes on to say that she’s actually booked in to see a Naturopath but she can’t see her for a couple of months, which is a crazy time to have to wait, “So I would appreciate you trying to do something before that because it’s really bothering me. By the way, also currently taking T432 and ALPHA VENUS.”

Matt: Yeah, they’re both really high in Salicylates.

Jeff: Right, so maybe take a break?

Matt: This is a good time of year for it. Take a break from anything you think looks healthy.

Jeff: That’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

Matt: Take a break from Herbs and Spices, Nuts and Seeds, Honey—we’ve got our Salicylate list online, I think. I think on our webpage we put our Salicylate list on there.

Jeff: Can you double check that, Matt, and make sure it is there.

Matt: Yeah, you remind me to double check, or I’ll remind you to remind me to double check.

Jeff: Okay. And, we did a podcast where we spoke about the Salicylates too, didn’t we?

Matt: Yeah, that’s right. And, just find out, because if you avoid all these Salicylate things, which are all the healthy things you’re probably doing to fix it, and how to be healthy, and then just put something greasy, with nothing good on it as a barrier…

Jeff: What about Coconut Oil, has that got Salicylates in it?

Matt: It might have some; I don’t know, I can’t remember.

Jeff: So Vaseline, you think? The petrochemicals, gees.

Matt: Yeah, you get rid of all the healthy stuff and put on some petrochemical and it will probably fix it.

Jeff: Wow! Okay.

Matt: And, once it’s gone, it doesn’t mean—all you’ve got to do is get that load down, the Salicylate load down and then you’re fine. But, there are massive amounts of Salicylates in skin care products, that’s what I’m saying she could easily be loading up on stuff to fix and it’s making it worse.

Jeff: Right. Danni, let us know how you get on.

Matt: Yeah, I’d be intrigued, I’d be looking forward to know.

Jeff: Take a break from all your supplements as well, do what Matt said, and let us know. It just seems…

Matt: I know, but—okay, if we wanted to talk for an hour about it I can kind of—but, we’ve got a podcast where we did that. So, if you refer to the Salicylates podcast, and they’re in the outer leaves of Herbs and Spices so thickly peel things, boil them, cook the buggery out of them, but avoid the outer leaves of the Herbs, go for the inner leaves. There are ways of doing it, and you can eat healthy, of course, on a low Salicylate diet. I just can’t remember it all. Like Berries and Cherries are really high in Salicylates, which is this time of year as well.

Jeff: Tomatoes, too Matt?

Matt: So, imagine Stone Fruits, and a lot of those things are really high, Green Teas, Curries, Spices, CORT RX, VENUS, T432, all those, very high in Salicylates.

Jeff: Well, we’ll get Elsa to maybe find the podcast and send that through to Danni as well, too, and see if we can find the list and flick a link through for her there too.

Matt: And, as far as free products for that one we’ll see if we can find a tub of Vaseline for you.

Jeff: I don’t think we’ve got any around here, Matt. Alright, thanks Danni, let us know how you get on.
Okay. This one is from Kirsty: “Hi, my name is Kirsty. I wrote a comment regarding the ALPHA VENUS on my Hypothalamic Amenorrhea”…

Matt: Hypothalamic Amenorrhea. So, it’s basically the brain saying, “Don’t have a period.”

Jeff: Right. “I’ve had it undiagnosed since I was 14. I lost 15 kilos.”

Matt: This person’s name is John?

Jeff: No, Kirsty.

Matt: Oh. I was about to say, “John, your Brain is not supposed to be telling you to have a period.”
Jeff: “I went to the doctor who said I have Cysts on my Ovaries but not the PCOS Syndrome. My female Hormones were pretty much non-existent, but no symptoms of the syndrome other than no cycle. So, they put me on the pill. I tried three to four different pills but either they would make me bleed two out of every four weeks of the month or give me Panic Attacks and Anxiety issues. I recently went to the Menopause Clinic, I’m 24 years old, in Sydney and I did an MRI on my Brain and a spit Cortisol test but they couldn’t come to a conclusion. They gave me Progesterone tablets and Estrogen cream; not enough to give me a cycle but enough for normal things like Bone Health, etcetera.

Over the past five to six months I’ve sourced out Nutritional advice and my Calories were increased significantly, no weight gain but a healthier body composition from where I was when I originally lost my cycle. My training has reduced, I went from a cross fitter to competitive power lifter over the past year, and prior to power lifting I would do one to two hours of cross fit a day. So, long story short, I started to train and eat smarter, to the point where I was recently getting signs of premenstrual change and Estrogen increase so they reduced my daily dose of Estrogen.

I now feel like my body can do it on its own but I’m scared to come off the Hormones. Would ALPHA VENUS be something I should use after I stop taking the Hormones? Thank you. PS, I love your podcasts.”
Wow, that’s a tough one too.

Matt: No, it’s cool this one.

Jeff: You’ve got this one?

Matt: Yeah, well sort of. If you’ve got Hypothalamic Amenorrhea, it basically means the Hypothalamus is not telling the Pituitary Gland to do its job, which is releasing Luteinising Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone. So, basically, they do a blood test, they measure your Hormones, and normally they measure Estrogen, Progesterone, Testosterone, but they also measure Luteinising Hormone, LH, and FSH, Follicle Stimulating Hormone, which is your Brain telling your body to make Hormones. So, obviously they are low. I would love to know if they’re measured Prolactin because if Prolactin is high that will explain the whole thing.

Jeff: Right.

Matt: If her Prolactin is high, and Prolactin comes high if your body thinks you’re breastfeeding or if you’re Stressed, or if you’re working really hard, or if you’re driving yourself hard through your training, you’ll get high Prolactin, and Prolactin is a way of telling your body, “Man, don’t be fertile because we’re under Chronic Stress, we should be hiding, not functioning.”

Jeff: So, would you recommend Kirsty go and get that done?

Matt: Yeah, well have a look and see if they’ve measured it first, because sometimes they measure it and it’s high but they don’t comment because they don’t have a good tool for it. Naturopathically, what we do to lower Prolactin is we increase Dopamine and when we increase Dopamine Prolactin goes low, which is cool because Dopamine makes you feel awesome so it will give you something that works like natural Cocaine and makes you feel great, and then in the process it drops your Prolactin and then your Brain goes, “Okay, so we’re allowed to have a Menstrual Cycle now.”

The other way of doing it is to go into the body—not, go into the body, that sounds really weird—but, to go in and interact with the Pituitary Gland and Hypothalamus and ask the body to release more Luteinising Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone.


Matt: ALPHA MARS. So, actually the best product for you to start with would be ALPHA MARS because it tells the body to release Luteinising Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone, by tricking the Brain into thinking you’ve got no Hormones. In your case, with no Hormones it going to be easy, but the problem is, when you put in Estrogen and Progesterone it sends a message back to the Pituitary saying, “We’ve got heaps of Hormone so we don’t need to release Luteinising Hormone or Follicle Stimulating Hormone.” You see what I mean?

Jeff: Right, yeah.

Matt: So, the problem is the Brain isn’t telling the Ovaries to make proper Hormones, so then they go and put the Hormones in which sends a message back to the Brain saying, “Man, seriously, stay on holiday, we’ve got this covered.” So, even if you’re using those other things it’s a good idea to put in something like ALPHA MARS to encourage the body to make more and to listen to the Luteinising Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone that is released. But, definitely measure the Prolactin, and if the Prolactin is high there is your priority. If they haven’t measured the Prolactin, then don’t bother worrying about Cortisol spit and everything. Get the Prolactin sorted.

Jeff: Okay. So, have a look and see if you’ve got that on your test.

Matt: Oh, and do the ALPHA VENUS because you’ve been on the pill, so you’ll want to reboot that Bad Estrogen to make sure you’re not getting side effects from that. So, I would do ALPHA MARS and ALPHA VENUS together, and I would measure Prolactin before you start.

Jeff: And, it wouldn’t matter if it’s the old or the new ALPHA VENUS, Matt?

Matt: The new ALPHA VENUS for this is perfect.

Matt: And, it’s got a Herb in it called Vitex Agnus Castus which enhances Ovulation to stop the Cysts from forming when you don’t Ovulate properly and builds Progesterone anyway.

Jeff: Perfect.

Matt: And, guess what else it does?

Jeff: What?

Matt: Lowers Prolactin by increasing Dopamine.

Jeff: Oh well, there you go.

Matt: Measure that Prolactin anyway because I’d like to know if it’s high and if that’s the problem, and you might want to know too.

Jeff: Yeah.

Matt: Not you, I’m talking about Kirsty.

Jeff: Oh right, I was going to say, “I’m just here to read out the questions, Matt.” But, anyway, hopefully Kirsty that helps. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. Obviously, please keep working with your healthcare practitioners, they’ve been helping you.

This one is from Nancy: “Hi there. How long should I leave it between taking supplements and drinking coffee? I usually have a hefty shot when I come into work first thing in the morning but I don’t want to conflict with the ALPHA VENUS or T432 that I’m taking. Thanks, Nancy.”

Matt: For VENUS and T432 it doesn’t matter.

Jeff: Yeah, I was going to say I don’t think it would have a problem.

Matt: Doesn’t matter.

Jeff: Nancy, my wife Toni is a quite a big coffee drinker and she takes them in the morning as well, too, and she’s using those products, so yeah, there’s no problem. Cool. That was an easy one.

Matt: Yeah.

Jeff: Okay. We’re trying to get through these because we’re coming up to Christmas.

Matt: I can tell. Look how many you’ve got.

Jeff: Actually, we’re getting a little bit—damn it, there’s some really good ones here too. You know what? Unfortunately, I think we’re going to have to leave it here but we’re going to do these ones first up next year.

Matt: Are we?

Jeff: We are.

Matt: Cool.
Jeff: Matt, last word?

Matt: Happy Merry Christmas.

Jeff: Oh, you’re terrible.

Matt: Yeah, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and that was my last word for the year.

Jeff: Alright.

Matt: What a disappointment that last word was.

Jeff: It was terrible, Matt. But, look everybody, I personally would like to thank you for listening to the podcasts and…

Matt: Suck arse.

Jeff: No, it’s been a good year. We really appreciate your support. Thank you so much for all the votes that you’ve put in, it’s helped us to be recognised on iTunes which has been fantastic. We really enjoy doing this, we love your questions and interacting with you, and we look forward to next year.

Matt: I’m just so glad someone wants to listen to our conversations.

Jeff: Well, the funny thing is, Matt, I actually really enjoy it as well, too, because I learn a lot, and it’s really nice to know that we can help people.

Matt: I seriously can’t wait till next year because we’ve made a huge amount of changes in our organisation to allow us to do this more and do it better; I can’t wait. Because, I’ve been a bit cranky that we—I want to do them better. I want to get them awesome. So, come back next year.

Jeff: And, from my point of view as well, too, we keep talking and answering FAQs and the amount of products that I’m listing, and I’m going, “People either don’t know where to go and get that, or they don’t even know if they can trust the source they’re getting it from. And, that’s what I’m really excited about, is to be able to provide everything under one roof. So, we’re working on that as well too.

Matt: Yes.

Jeff: But again, thanks everyone. Thanks Matt.

Matt: Thank you.

Jeff: You are so insincere. Oh my God.

Matt: No, thank you.

Jeff: Anyway, have a safe Christmas guys and we’ll be back early January.

Matt: Hooroo.


Episode 39 – The Critical Importance of Fats and Oils


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